Countless crimes and acts of hate happening daily because of religion, and these assholes think we give a shit if they bless us when we sneeze??
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THIS.
Shit that atheists think Christians are concerned about:
1) When people say bless you when you sneeze.
2) People who say “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas.”
3) Removing God from the pledge and from currency
Shit that Christians are really concerned about.
1) The propagation of backwards anti scientific though in an attempt to dis-credit the secular and non secular account of history.
2) The targeted indoctrination of the young, poor, and uneducated.
3) The political use of power to inject flawed scientific theories which support the religion of atheism into the lives of all people.
– Yes atheism is a religion. (because scientific evidence does not suport it, you must have ‘faith’ to believe it.
I’m going to assume you’re trolling – as there is no excuse for such a statement otherwise – “Yes atheism is a religion. (because scientific evidence does not suport it, you must have ‘faith’ to believe it.”
Religion: A set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and
attitudes that is not supported by scientific study and requires faith.
Faith: Belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or
something, especially without logical proof.
Yes. apparently Atheism is a religion, but I fully suport your right to freedom of religion, and I would die to defend your right to be wrong.
Any other questions.
Atheism isn’t supported by scientific study and requires faith? Let’s hear more about that, chief.
Ok– atheism is the belief that the is no God
Religion is the belief that there is a God, or Gods or something.
Science can not prove either.
both require faith.
The misconception that science and the Bible contradic each other is not supported by science or the Bible it is propagated by dumb-ass but well intended Christian who should have spent Wednesday night reading a science book instead of attending that prayer meeting.
Unfortunately, their dribble is taken as true representation doctrin and agnostics who listen to them, perhaps understanding the true nature of the universe more clearly, assume that science and religion are at odds– having no horse in the race they do not research the scientific evidence they simply choose a side– atheism
– I personally blame the bible beaters. If you like I can give you scripture as well that you can throw in their faces to get them to shut up.
You kind of went off on a tangent here, and it looks like you may have been drinking while entering that last comment, but to me, it sounds like you’re nitpicking the definition of religion. When do you cross over from having faith in what you perceive to be fact to actual fact supported by evidence? If you really want to take it to such a granular level of faith, we have faith that the books we read in school have facts in them. Does this make what the books tell us to be fact? Obviously not, since children read the Bible (fiction) and other fictitious works, and it is not uncommon for school books to have factual errors. However, we still perceive them as fact. Considering this, by your definition, wouldn’t all “facts” be considered faith instead?
It also seems like you’re assuming that the non-existence of God must be proven for atheists to be justified in their beliefs. All I really have to say about that is, we were here first. We don’t have to prove that anything does not exist. If I told you unicorns existed, and asked you to prove me wrong, what would your response be?
You say something does exist (that being your god). It is your duty to explain how something that has absolutely no scientific evidence exists. It is not the duty of atheists to disprove you.
–To the drinking– I hang out with Catholics ok despite some of their ‘traditions’.
I’m not saying you have to disprove me. I’m just saying that science has nothing to do with religion.
Science is supported by theories- if they are up held long enough we call them facts or laws. But it is a modeling system nothing more. It can not prove or disprove an intangeble.
I can show scientific evidence that suports a world wide flood about 4000 years ago
I can show scientific evidence that supports that the first woman lived 6500 years ago.
Science has come a long way in the last 100 years. 100 years ago we could not explain why the Bible says the earth is 6500 years old while our fosil record was telling us billions of years. Science has now shown us that our dating methods were based upon faulty assumptions, and we know know that the earth is 6000 to 10000 years old.
But even though we know that ’Eve’ lived 6500 years ago probably in the region of east Africa– we do not know why.
All I am saying is that Science does not support Atheism.
As it happens is also does not contradict the major mono-theistic religions of the world either.
We know the how the Red sea parted (scientifically) and we know that the Exodus did occur (non biblical hisorical record), however we dont know why Moses took all the isrealites to the Red sea at the exact perfert moment in time.
Science explains how it happened
History tells us when
Only religion can explain why
I choose to believe that God told him to.
You believe it was luck.
You failed at replying to the correct comment, but I’m glad that we can agree that science has nothing to do with religion. Where you’re wrong, though (I mean besides the part where you typed a bunch of shit that makes no sense on the internet), is when you say that science does not support atheism. Atheism is a lack of belief. There is nothing to be proven (by the way, nice job of completely ignoring how I already brought this up). Religion is about a belief. Your so-called scientific non-biblical “hisorical” records prove that your god exists? Hardly. You’ve typed a whole lot without really saying anything. Please try to back up your ideas.
You choose to believe the bible is non-fiction.
I believe the majority of the bible is fiction.
There are proven examples of where the bible contradicts itself in the stories it tells.
I don’t feel like it should be my responsibility to go google the truth behind your silly religious claims, but I’ll play ball. I just looked into your claim about the age of the earth. Nice propaganda there, dude. Maybe you need to read some science journals instead of the bible some time. This is too easy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism#Lack_of_scientific_acceptance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth
We are so deep in the thread that I will respond to your last post here–
The topic of Biblical contradiction is a tricky one. And I am no theologen — you seem very intelegent and thoughtful. I can only encourage you to research the ‘contradictions’ and decide for yourself.
I can tell you that I have a bachelors in mechanical engineering but have chosen to teach physics and chemistry at a private Christian school so I am extremely science-minded.
I will also tell you that even though I have always been a Christian, I also have always believed that the earth was 200 billion years old and that there were inconsistancies in the Bible (perhaps due to fucked up translations).
5 years ago I began researching the scientific arguments and theories of a ‘young earth’ as well as sifting through all of the evidence of ‘contradictions’ in the bilical record.
I came to the conclusion that there was more scientific evidence that hte earth was about 6-10 thousand years old and that there were no contradictions in the Bible, but just a bunch of people who couldn’t poor piss out of a boot if you told them the instructions were on the heel.
I would encourage you to do the same, yet I will warn you that you will encounter a lot of bull shit ideas from bible beaters claiming that the gays are all going to hell and the like. And a lot of left wing radicals that will tell you anything as long as you will agree that the oil companies are evil. You just have to have an open mind, put on a political filter, and only trust articles written by those who have high credentials and aren’t trying to sell you anything.
I need to go to bed. Tomorrow I have to teach particle mechanics to a bunch of 12th graders and I still do not know how I’m going to include my “biblical integration”– On the Eigth day God said: “and I will make the acceleration due to gravity constant with respect to your elevation so that all of your velocity curves will remain linear. And it was the morning and the evening of the Eigth day and God said that it was good.”– Hell I dont know– Pray for me.
good night
I’d like to draw your attention to Genesis 3:14 and Leviticus 11:6.
Oh, so you claim that there aren’t any contradictions in the bible? A simple google search says overwhelmingly otherwise. Here is a pretty good list for you. Maybe it’s time to rethink the christian agenda you just admitted you teach at school. You should be ashamed of yourself for teaching children nonsense.
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/page/bible-contradictions
If atheism is a religion, then “bald” is a hair color and not collecting stamps is a hobby.
–evasive, and irrelavent— But God damn funny!
– there is hope for you yet Mr. Heathen.
How is Godless Heathen’s reply irrelevant? You’re the one who posted the non sequitur that atheism is a religion. He’s just replying to your own irrelevant commentary. Godless Heathen’s reply is relevant in that he replied directly to your comment (which is irrelevant).
Since we’re on that tangent, it takes zero faith to be an atheist. Okay, a strong atheist can be argued to have faith, sure. Weak atheism requires no faith. My lack of belief is based on no faith. Is it faith that you don’t believe in the Tooth Fairy? Or do you just have no basis on believing that it exists?
Mr. D Shame: Please read #2 in third paragraph, and pay close attention to the last word in that sentence.
…and good day to you sir.
At least I did get a D in sex-ed
–hows that going for you?
DS: I’d have to say that your facts are a little backwards. The backlash against religion amongst most atheists is due to the fact that most literal religious interpretations directly defy what we’ve managed to prove over the past few centuries through science. By indoctrinating our youth with ideas that are in direct opposition to what we’ve proven scientifically to be true (to the best of our human understanding) you effectively put a cap on their actual understanding of the world in favor of an imagined reality where all answers are divine in origin and no human could possibly understand the great mysteries of the universe. It’s true that we don’t understand everything that’s going on out there right now, but look at how far we’ve come in the past 100 years. How much of that can you attribute to religion? How much to science?
Atheism is not about blind faith. It is about being educated about the world around you and NOT blindly accepting crazy stories about some big dude in the sky who can make all your wishes come true if you prostrate yourself in front of him every Sunday and say you’re sorry to him a lot. It’s about taking responsibility for your own life and seeking answers that are real, relevant and scientifically sound.
In deed, however you make a large assumption: That Science and the Bible are at odds.
While science can explain how things occur and allow us to model our universe to be able to predict outcomes it can not explain why.
Religion or ‘faith’ is the only answer to the question ‘why’
I do not mean: why does the book fall down when I drop it. I mean. Why is there an attraction of objects that hold to ‘Newton’s law of gravitation’
– You believe in science. And I suspect some well intending yet extremely ignorant Christian caused you not to believe in God. but you must still have faith that he does not exist, because you can not prove it.
I believe in science and the more I learn about science I realize that science and the Bible are not at odds with each other.
I also have faith that God exists.
Now if my faith that he exists is “blind” then your faith that he does not exist is also ‘blind.’
You only have to believe in something if there is no proof it is correct. We can prove that Rainbows are caused by humidity in the air acting as a prism.
We can make a rainbow any time we want.
It’s therefor not the Miracle the Bible claims it to be.
I do not have to Believe that Rainbows are not supernatural because I Know otherwise.
Science is not a religion. It is at odds with the Church often enough… How recently did the Catholic Church admit that Gallileo was, in fact, right?
How many people ignore the fact that due to genetic drift and habitat stress, new species are evolving and existant species are changing?
Bacterium, undiscovered until recently, were found living in a highly radioactive part of a Nuclear reactor.
So when God created ALL the animals that ever were and ever will be, he created those Bacteria too?
Where DID they live until now?
In responce to Arkloyd:
You seem to be confusing Atheism with sceince, but thats ok
The rainbow/miracle argument is good, but remember that there were no rainbows before the flood, so it looked like a miracle to man at the time. Just like the Red sea parting looks like a big miracle even though we know now how it happened. The idea of a miracle is to understand why something happens not how it happens science explains how. How did Moses part the Red Sea — A sustained wind blew and held the waters back (scientic evidence). Why did Moses gather all the isrealites to the Sea at that precise moment = miracle.
Yes the church disagreed with Gallileo but the Bible did not– The Catholic church does a lot of stupid stuff that’s why I’m not Catholic.–The answer to your genetics question is easy: 98 percent of all people do not understand the difference between macro-evolution vs micro evolution. In fact most people who claim to be Darwinist believe in macro-evolution even though Darwin himself said it was nonsence.
God did not create all the animals that ever were in the first 6 days. he created every ‘kind’ of animal — he created dogs for instance. some jack-ass in the mid 70s crossed a bull dog with a shih tzu to create a bull shit.
Remember science suports micro-evolution not macro-evolution.
The burden of proof being on you, prove to me that white light was indivisible before your mythic flood.
Use all the sources you want, except for the bible. The book that makes the claim is not to be used to substantiate said claim.
And, actually, as far as the bible is concerned, our flat earth has ends, and is held up by pillars under a dome of firmament. (The picture painted by Genesis does indeed make it sound like Humanity lives inside of a snow globe.)
Then again, I welcome you to tell me where in the bible it does mention elliptical planetary orbits, the sun being a star, other planets even existing, or explaining the fossil record.
The fossil record does actually support macro-evolution. Unnatural selection (Human intervention in breeding animals) is what showed a certain man that species can change.
If I didn’t know any better I’d say you were just trolling.
Lastly: No, your Bible does NOT account for macro evolution. Noah’s Arc must have had polar bears, grizzly bears, black bears, spectacled sun bears, African and indian elephants, one pair of every existing domestic dog and cat breed.
Genesis claims that all animals are unchanging.
It says quite often ‘After their kind’.
Buffalo always begat buffalo: After their own kind.
My father (Biological, since I do feel I have to make the distinction) does not believe in Micro evolution, and those are the exact scriptures he quoted to make the claim.
Oh, I did miss a point I should have made.
Atheism is NOT Science, Science is not a Religion, Evolution does not need to be taken on faith, either macro or micro, as evidence does actually exist.
Science (The Scientific method, rather) can, however, support, prove, test and discover the reasons and causes behind what we see in this universe.
Science gave us the speed of light, the properties of the visible spectra, and many other such things that are known to be true now.
I agree with many principles of many religions. Most of which are wonderful guidelines for general morality of a society. As far as god(s)/God(s) go….. it’s all just energy. Call it what you like.
I’ve often thought of science as the method of the miracle.
As we as humans expand our knowledge with technology and discovery we are able to explain how it’s done rather than rely on “blind faith” as our fellow humans had to do so many years ago without the advantages we have in our modern world today.
I completely understand how a rainbow is made, and I don’t consider it any less of a miracle than it ever has been. Just as I don’t consider helping a person in need for nothing more than for the sake of kindness any less of a miracle.
I’m not a “recruiter” for any religion. I’m not going to argue or fight over what someone chooses to believe. Primarily because I just simply don’t care that much about what others choose to believe. Secondly, because nobody can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt…. ANYTHING
To say that God exists with all certainty is just as ignorant and/or arrogant to say that God does NOT exist with all certainty.
Whether atheists want to be considered a religion or not…. who really cares?
To paraphrase George Carlin:
Nobody really knows anything. Everybody is just winging it.