Some Things Banned By The Bible

Paul O'Flaherty

Just some things that are banned by the bible for those folks who are intent on making sure that we all do what the bible says!

Banned By The BibleSource.


  1. Macy Wood July 2, 2011 at 10:41 am - Reply

    oh thank you for the reminders!
    im off to burn all the cotton & polyester blends in my wardrobe.

    can i do that when i am on my period?

    • Tha Lord July 2, 2011 at 8:30 pm - Reply

      Not on the Sabbath you can’t!

      • Paranormallity July 20, 2011 at 11:28 am - Reply

        Shut up, dad!

      • Brandon Joesph Kennedy December 20, 2012 at 2:29 pm - Reply

        Ya see i’m just here to set an example off of the feelings I recieved by God’s feeling like law written on my heart.

  2. Stelatonmave July 2, 2011 at 10:43 am - Reply

    That is too bad. My favorite way to spend a Saturday is watching football in my cotton/polyester jersey while eating lobster and pork stuffed mushrooms (after a hard day’s shaving, of course), cursing if they are too hot, while gossiping with my girlfriend who is always on her period. Guess i’m doomed, huh…

  3. Angela Hurd July 2, 2011 at 11:27 am - Reply

    I think those ones only apply if you’re Jewish

    • Cailet July 2, 2011 at 11:34 am - Reply

      It’s not a matter on if you’re Jewish or not.  It’s a bash on these Christian extremists who claim to follow everything in the bible, so if they did that,  they’d have to follow these rules.  Oh, but then they say “it was a different time, these don’t apply to us.”  In which case it can be turned back on them :P
      By the way, you’re all screwed if you read this as I’m on my period ^_^

      • Angela Hurd July 2, 2011 at 11:57 am - Reply

        Well, they are not supposed to be following all that if they are really Christians. The new covenant is from Jesus. The old covenant is part of Christianity’s history. A lot of people really don’t know what they are following. Makes everyone look stupid

        • Cailet July 2, 2011 at 2:52 pm - Reply

          Well, as our Good Samaritan friend said, why have it in there if it’s not to be followed?  I wasn’t raised Christian in any stretch of the word, my family was antireligion, and I’m studying all sorts on my own, so I may be wrong.  In any case, from what I’ve heard from many different Christian churches (ie. those who follow Christ, so Jews are included) is that the Bible is the Word of God.  In that sense, isn’t it better to take out what we don’t have to follow and put it in a history text instead?  Or, is the Bible itself just a history text, written by stalwart believers in God and Christ and saying they’re being directed by either one?
          It’s like trying to find out how many licks it takes to the center of a tootsie pop.  The world may never know (Yes, I know there’s a number out there, but I’m still alluding to the old TV commercials ><)

          • Angela Hurd July 2, 2011 at 4:07 pm -

            Only people of Jewish ancestry who have accepted Jesus as the Son of God follow Jesus. To those following the Jewish faith, he is a prophet. They are still waiting for the true Savior. They still must follow the covenant of the Old Testament. Christianity is the New Covenant. Jesus came to fulfill that first Covenant and now we go forward with what He taught. He eliminated the old law but we still need to know our history and learn from the Prophets of old.

          • Tha Lord July 2, 2011 at 4:39 pm -

            Jesus never existed, and neither did the characters of the old testament.  Despite the details given in the Bible, not one shred of archaeological evidence exists for any stories of the Old Testament or the existence of Jesus.

          • James Smith July 2, 2011 at 8:18 pm -

            You are either terribly uninformed about the bible, or simply a liar.  If you bothered to read the bible you’d know better than to make such ridiculous statements.

          • Nate July 23, 2011 at 11:01 pm -


            google search “dead sea scrolls” then tell me there isn’t any archaeological evidence…

          • Guest July 26, 2011 at 8:39 pm -

            @39be48c397b1e04de9537049f2935f6d:disqus @Nate: The Dead Sea Scrolls are simply more texts; they are not archaeological evidence of anything, any more than the Bible is. If I were to bury a copy of a Harry Potter book, I would hope that nobody 2000 years in the future will take that as archaeological evidence that Harry Potter actually existed.-Furthermore, I do consider the Dead Sea Scrolls to be important, but in relation to textual criticism; the extreme differences and contradictions between many of the scrolls and the Bible (as well as each other) are widely credited with detracting from the credibility of the Bible.

        • James Smith July 2, 2011 at 8:16 pm - Reply

          But Jesus said that the old testament was also valid.  But I think in another place he said it wasn’t.  Maybe he never said either?  Considering that there is no evidence Jesus ever existed it’s probable the entire bible is a lie. 

        • Paula M Marshall September 3, 2014 at 6:05 pm - Reply

          Well, okay, then. I guess the ten commandments are thrown out now. They’re in the OT. Cherry-picking.

      • Geoff Roberts July 18, 2011 at 6:32 pm - Reply

        1 Timothy 2:12 – But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

        On your period and not being silent! I’m surprised the all-loving God hasn’t already smitten you in anger. I’ll bet you’ve been wearing inappropriate clothes and causing earthquakes too!

    • Good Samaritan July 2, 2011 at 11:58 am - Reply

      I hear this a lot from Christians.  Why is the Old Testament even included in the Bible if you don’t have to live by it?  I’m not suggesting by any stretch that these rules are nearly as good for society as “love thy neighbor” or “do unto others…”  But if these laws are archaic, why leave them in the Bible at all?  Is it simply to give nonbelievers an easy target?

    • Orn July 2, 2011 at 11:45 pm - Reply

      Guess the 10 commandments only apply if you’re Jewish too, as they’re from the Old Testament.

      • Good Samaritan July 3, 2011 at 1:11 pm - Reply

        There are really only 6 commandments.  The first 4 are based on dogmatic nonsense (belief in Yahweh) anyway.  And the Tenth is designed to make believers feel guilty about every aspect of being human.  So there are really only 5 that are worth anything.

        • Melkor July 3, 2011 at 2:58 pm - Reply

          the WHOLE THING is dogmatic nonsense. but don’t feel bad though, its not JUST the christan bible that attempted to pull the “wool” over your eyes and make us all into sheep ;-)

        • Friendlypig July 9, 2014 at 2:07 am - Reply

          Actually there are 613 commandments.

    • TwoReplies July 18, 2011 at 8:13 pm - Reply

      Jesus was a Jew.
      So if you’re a follower of Jesus (aka Christian), you’re inherently Jewish.You just also follow the additional rules laid out in the new testament.Otherwise the old testament wouldn’t even be a part of the Christian bible.

      Christian Jew-bashing or saying the OT in the Christian bible only applies to Jews, is like an Apple user bashing Carnegie Mellon’s “Mach” kernel.

    • Maw August 15, 2012 at 10:56 am - Reply

      Angela, no one ever said you get a pass for not following the Old Testament nor was it ever nullified by anybody. I don’t persecute you for being religious but please study on your own and don’t just believe what anybody says to you.

    • OnesAndTwos May 27, 2013 at 2:54 am - Reply

      Wow how narrow minded you are.
      Those ones too?
      Why are you so prejudiced against those ones?
      Have you paid any attention at all?
      Come on you just “those ones too?”
      You’re being awfully narrow minded, don’t you think?
      I have some really strong negative feelings and beliefs as well but I’m not
      going to hang it on just those “ones.”
      Take those terrible twos. The terrible twos are just as bad or good as the ones.
      Don’t you think?
      Come on how many times have you heard of, “he’s just going through the terrible twos?”
      I can’t go on here all night so let’s just leave at the “ones” and the “terrible twos” for now.
      Maybe in the future we can pick up where we leave off here tonight.
      Next time we will assume you read about the nasty “ones” and the terrible “twos.”
      Picking up on the abdominal threes!
      When we have worked our way up the dirty dozen you may have a totally different outlook on everything. Not just those “ones.”
      Good night for now.

  4. Johnnylime July 6, 2011 at 4:12 pm - Reply

    the last one makes sense

    • DaviG August 10, 2011 at 1:16 pm - Reply

      i like peanut butter

      • DaviG August 10, 2011 at 1:18 pm - Reply

        you say god, i say flying spaghetti monster only atheists can see, i cant see yours you cant see mine, dont give me bullshit about how im wrong

        • checkyourbrainatthedoor August 12, 2011 at 11:55 pm - Reply

          I think I prefer agnostics. They at least sound intelligent. Honestly, all you “atheists” on here sound more like bitter Christians. You are offended by the word sin, which means you don’t like the idea of “sinning”. Odd when you don’t believe in God. You do everything in your power to make other Christians feel stupid which tends to lean towards a defense mechanism. You are too upset by the idea of God that you can’t just be neutral. Instead, you have to hate God and other people who are making you feel guilty for not believing in God. Typical of atheists though.

          Let me guess, you’ve done everything religion tells you not to, just because religion told you not to. How original. Well enjoy your blissful ignorance in which you believe you are not just “blindly following” something and that you really are an individual. Just FYI, being a non-conformist involves having a working brain that you use, not just conforming to the other non-conformists.Now who’s going to start the “atheists are going to call her stupid/hater/*insert string of swear words here*” drinking game? I’d just go with one of those because if you do all three you’ll most definitely die.

          • Wolvesrage_renegade_wolf September 15, 2011 at 6:33 am -

            IT’S A FUCKING JOKE PEOPLE….. learn to laugh….take yourself and your ideas a little less seriously….  fucking atheists are just as dogmatic and close minded as the religious bigots.  everyone shut your pie holes and have a laugh

  5. sling July 10, 2011 at 4:14 pm - Reply

    really now? this is hilarious, but way out of context. (it is part of the old testament for a reason) 

    • Tha Lord July 11, 2011 at 4:55 pm - Reply

      Then why do they put it in the book if it isn’t applicable?

      • Kuma N July 19, 2011 at 1:07 am - Reply

        1. Just because the rules have changed doesn’t mean you can’t learn from it. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it, so it’s worth it to read what it was like BEFORE.
        Not trying to argue or insult, just sharing a point.

      • Poop July 23, 2011 at 10:55 pm - Reply

        “People who do not learn from the past, are doomed to repeat it”

        idk who said this but i remember it from somewhere

    • Paul O'Flaherty July 11, 2011 at 5:00 pm - Reply

      And what reason is that? So you can ignore it?

    • Jordan July 16, 2011 at 4:00 pm - Reply

      as well as the “law” against homosexuality, which is in levicticus. you don’t see any of those baptist church fellows screaming about cloth-combining heathens

    • TwoReplies July 18, 2011 at 8:08 pm - Reply

      So the old testament should be disregarded in it’s entirety because of the existence of the new testament?

  6. howdybre July 15, 2011 at 11:42 am - Reply

    Actually, most of the rules in the old testament were for the Israelites. The shaving/cutting hair, no tattoos, were so that they could show people they weren’t paegan. get your facts straight before you mock a religion, people(;

    • Paul O'Flaherty July 15, 2011 at 12:31 pm - Reply

      Really? So the next time someone quotes Genesis 1:27 or Genesis 2:18-25 as reasons why not to allow Gay marriage we can all just tell them: “No you’re wrong, that part of the bible doesn’t count?”

      Maybe we should tell the publishers that the Old Testament doesn’t matter anymore so they can save on cutting down trees to make paper to print that part of the bible…

      Kill two birds with one stone, shorten the bible to reduce confusion among the religious AND save the environment!! WIN WIN!!

      • Guest July 16, 2011 at 1:46 pm - Reply

        THIS is the important part, the idea that two different OT ideas have to have the same clout. If you’re going to say gays are bad because of Genesis, how can you justify eating shellfish or pork, not shaving, etc?
        Paul (in the Bible) talked about the old law existing because humanity wasn’t ready for Jesus, but that those that can accept Jesus (now that he’s here) aren’t bound by the law.

        What Culturally made the Jews different was the law. Jesus was here to unite humanity (Jew and Gentile) under himself, rather than the much less popular law. So either strive to fulfill each and every commandment (all of them meaning more than the “ten”), or do not follow it at all. There’s no need to be bound to the law, but of course God thinks you’re super cool if you are.

        • Kevin July 16, 2011 at 6:14 pm - Reply

          What about Matthew 5:18, where Jesus says “I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest
          letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from
          the Law until everything is accomplished.”  Of course that depends on what Jesus meant he had to accomplish, but Paul was probably bullshitting.  Not that that’s too different from the rest of the Bible.

          • Paul O'Flaherty July 17, 2011 at 2:35 pm -

            It’s amazing that the consensus appears to be that because I quoted bible verses I’m religious. I’m not, I’m an atheist and one of the owners of this site. My point was that, as some folks are saying the Old Testament is irrelevant and no longer applies then why is it included at all???

          • Kevin July 17, 2011 at 3:27 pm -

            The comment was mostly addressed to the people who DO try to use the OT as leverage for their radical ideas, without taking the work as a whole.  If they attempted to follow every command in the Bible, including those made by Jesus himself, then they’d run into paradoxes.  For example, Jesus made a lot of “you have heard it said… now I say to you…” statements.  How can an omniscient god change its mind?

          • Kevin July 17, 2011 at 3:29 pm -

            …and I’m quoting verses too aren’t I?  In my opinion, an atheist has to know a lot more about a holy text than a believer.

          • Babylon October 17, 2011 at 4:25 pm -

            Had a great class on this. It’s because they were so (stil are) tribal, and it records where Jesus came from and many of the other prophet’s ancestors. They were big into that.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:20 pm -

            it’s included becuase Jesus fulfilled it that is why it has to be included.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:19 pm -

            everybody that participated in writing the bible was a 100 percent true God wouldn’t allow liars or none worthy people to write it

          • Lee Barbo November 12, 2011 at 9:51 pm -

            Of course not, ’cause that would make it inaccurate and not worthy of attention and god wouldn’t want that. I know because the bible told me so. So did god. And god wouldn’t lie to me. I know because the bible told me so. The bible wouldn’t lie, either, because it’s god’s word. Since I know that neither the bible nor god would lie to me that everything in the bible is true. 

          • Paul O'Flaherty November 15, 2011 at 8:30 am -

            You really need to spend some time researching the history of the bible and how it was put together.

          • Nathan Fears November 19, 2011 at 2:10 am -

            I’m sorry to say this, but that’s just throwing logic out the window. Can you also fix all of your grammar? I’m sure you didn’t mean to state that “everybody that participated in writing the bible was a 100 percent true God” because that would go against your Ten Commandments and say you are accepting another deity.

          • Meow November 21, 2011 at 1:58 am -

            God also wouldn’t allow crazy ass Christians to learn grammar or spelling.

        • Keithduckworth23 September 14, 2011 at 12:48 am - Reply

          So you are saying as long as they believe in jesus that the “laws” don’t apply. Which means that all the bull that Christians have been spouting about gays and gay marriage is wrong. Hmmmm still means Christians are full of crap and therefore the bible is nothing but. Liws made by men. And men are creatures of lies.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:21 pm -

            excuse me i am a christian.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:22 pm -

            you just bascially slapped God in the face with your comment.

          • Nathan Fears November 19, 2011 at 2:16 am -

            I’d like to point out that you told yourself that you slapped god in the face.

          • sucktackular December 15, 2011 at 1:02 pm -

            “Excuse me, I am an embarrassment to Christians/humanity.”


          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:22 pm -

            just becuase people lie does NOT give anybody the right to say Gods word is a lie.

          • Nathan Fears November 19, 2011 at 2:16 am -

            Your god never wrote anything down. The people who made/wrote down/recited these laws are fallible and can skew from the original source.

          • Meow November 21, 2011 at 2:02 am -

            just-> Just
            becuase-> because
            Gods-> God’s

            You are so FUCKING STUPID!

        • Babylon October 17, 2011 at 4:23 pm - Reply

          Now that was a good thought. Thank you.

        • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:17 pm - Reply

          thats the old testament that doesn’t count anymore Jesus said eating meat is fine as long as it’s not red.alot of these misconceptions are becuase the catholics twisted everything to fit their needs.

          • Nathan Fears November 19, 2011 at 2:13 am -

            Only Catholics have changed things? So there is a source that derives from stories passed down orally that is concrete and is true to the original story? Not likely, in fact, next to impossible.

          • Meow November 21, 2011 at 2:01 am -

            thats-> That’s
            old testament-> Old Testament
            red.alot-> red.  A lot
            becuase-> because
            catholics-> Catholics

            At least you got “their” right.

          • Kaleigh November 27, 2011 at 5:15 pm -

            Weren’t you just prodding on about how the Bible was never changed and is 100% accurate? How can that be so if the Catholics twisted it around? Catholicism was around for hundreds of years before Protestantism, and in Europe the Bible wasn’t even available to the everyday person until the reformation. So, since the catholics were the only one’s who had the bible, don’t you think when they finally got around to giving it to everyone it would have been written the way the Pope had wanted it? 

          • sucktackular December 15, 2011 at 1:04 pm -

            I guess the Catholics weren’t chosen by God to twist the Old Testament, but others were. Does that sound like what you were trying to say?

        • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:18 pm - Reply

          what do u mean now that he’s here? hes not here tribulation hasn’t happened yet.and reguardless if humanity isnt ready he’s still gonna come and everybody is bound by the law

          • Meow November 21, 2011 at 2:08 am -

            what-> What
            u-> you
            now that he’s here?-> “now that he’s here?”
            hes not here-> he’s not here;
            tribulation-> Tribulation
            yet.and-> yet.
            and reguardless if->  If
            gonna-> going to
            law-> law.

          • yourmother January 5, 2012 at 7:09 am -

            Just by reading your comments I’m a bit more stupid, you are contagious.
            Please don’t have kids.

      • samgordon July 17, 2011 at 10:36 am - Reply

        The Old Testament matters still. It is the only “bible” of the jewish people. How can you be so ignorant?

        • Cyfrin10 July 20, 2011 at 7:37 am - Reply

          Indeed, how can you mock people who believe in talking snakes and magic trees?

          • Crazy Larry July 20, 2011 at 11:19 am -

            Are you saying that I’m NOT crazy if snakes talk to me and I just so happen to be the proud owner of a magical tree?…

          • Emily July 26, 2011 at 2:29 pm -

            Yer a wizard Larry. What with your parsletongue skillz.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:37 pm -

            i would say that your taking too strong of medication or your schiziphrenic

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:38 pm -

            everybody who sees that type of stuff is either on meds that are too strong or schiziphrenic

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:38 pm -

            larry he was making a joke read the sense you will see a little joke in there.

          • Lukonius September 27, 2013 at 10:56 pm -

            you say that people who see such things are schizophrenics? Dude… Moses is said to have TALKED TO a burning bush! Never ever join a debate team, because you contradict yourself EVERY other comment you make lol

        • Uzimakikid July 30, 2011 at 2:34 pm - Reply

          They don’t buy the christian bible. they have something called a “torah” which is the same thing, just minus the extra bullshit christians added onto the previous bullshit.

          perhaps you should learn about a religion before talking about it as if you know what they do and follow.

          • Tom August 5, 2011 at 9:35 am -

            Torah is only the first 5 books of the old testament, not the entire old testament.

          • Harry Cunningham August 5, 2011 at 10:29 am -

            Kind of a “Bullshit Lite”.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:39 pm -

            i am a christian i resent that accusation

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:39 pm -

            i am a proud christian/baptist i go to church and i am obedient to God.

      • Rileyz July 21, 2011 at 2:21 pm - Reply

        No you cannot do that because even though to Old Testament gives laws for the israelites, many are repeated in the New Testament after grace. Romans chapter 1 fully condemns any form of gay or lesbian actions then and now

        • Alex July 23, 2011 at 4:13 pm - Reply

          In the Old Testament, unnatural or unseemly meant uncustomary. In those times, it was a big deal that a man must help keep the population up. If a man laid with a man, then he could not help repopulate and would “waste his seed.” Not helping to repopulate was just as much of a social don’t in those times as was not letting strangers come into your home.  You have to understand that through translations, words can change. Crazy right? And many people quote saying that being homosexual is an “abomination.” That too is mistranslated. If I ate lobster, I would be an abomination. If I cut my hair, I would be an abomination. If I did anything that was not customary, I would be am abomination. It did not mean the same thing then that it does now. 

          • Keithduckworth23 September 14, 2011 at 1:02 am -

            That is so true. If you translate spanish to english the sentences are sometimes backwards. And the bible was in Latin so it would be worded oddly for english speakers. And virgin back in those days was not someone that had not had sex. It was an un married worman. So as much as people don’t. Want to believe it. The bible has been changed so it makes sense to people in their own languages. That could mean that things were excluded or moves around

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:30 pm -

            you make no sense at all plus you are so wrong you dont make any sense.

          • guest November 11, 2011 at 2:48 pm -

            thats why its translated.  obviously the word wasn’t virgin back in those days, it would have been, woman who hasnt had sex, that word then translated to virgin.  you guys are going to burn in hell i mean why go against God

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:29 pm -

            well you can thank Jesus for coming to fullfill the old testament so we wouldn’t need to live that way anymore

          • thekatieajones November 15, 2011 at 2:18 pm -

            Yes, thank you, Jesus, for demanding we believe something that we have no proof to believe, thus condemning those of us who are interested in reaching logical conclusions.

        • Hannah July 23, 2011 at 4:40 pm - Reply

          wow. picky. you can’t just pick and choose which parts of the ible you want to follow. all or none. personally, I vote none, cause the whole thing is bullshit. but hey, if you want to say being gay is a sin, then go right ahead. just.. dont cut your hair or eat pork or curse or gossip or talk to your mommy when it’s her time of the month. have fun.

          • james August 2, 2011 at 1:17 am -

            i get what you are saying but its false! the old test is the old law for people who and still are in the blood line of adam (the original sinner). when jesus in human form came to the earth is when the new test starts you know matt, mark, luke, and john are all accurate depictions from 4 separate people of the birth, life and death of jesus christ. when jesus christ died he had not sinned. there fore god used his only son to bear the sin all sin so we can go to heaven. do you have to be perfect to go to heaven? no, ill be the first to tell you i screw up on a daily basis all that you have to do to go to heaven is believe in him. just one more lil parting remark. if the earth was one more degree closer to the sun we would all burn to death and one degree further we would all be ice cubes now tell me that isnt intelligent design!   

          • John August 2, 2011 at 7:46 am -

            “degree” Isn’t a measure of distance, I can’t tell if you’re a troll, or just an ignorant fucktard

          • Hannah August 2, 2011 at 5:37 pm -

            um, or it could be, this just where the earth happened to be created so that’s why we’re here. if we were one “degree”, as you say, closer or farther from the sun, we simply wouldn’t be here. some other creature that is adapted to extreme heat or cold. 

          • Guest August 3, 2011 at 6:33 am -

            More importantly it is completely untrue and doesn’t have the slightest scrap of evidence to support it.

          • Harry Cunningham August 5, 2011 at 10:28 am -

            As stated, “one more degree” makes no sense in terms of distance, but I believe you’re probably referring to the oft-repeated (and entirely fallacious) claim that if we were even 10 feet closer to the Sun then Earth couldn’t support life – which is wrong, as Earth’s orbital distance from the Sun ranges by as much as 5,000,000 km from its closest to furthest from the Sun. Of course religious people aren’t interested in facts, only in soundbites and pseudo science that they think backs up their unverifiable opinions.

          • SuperDuper August 5, 2011 at 10:49 pm -

            Instead of focusing on the ridiculous and false statement that James made concerning intelligent design, it would make a lot more sense to me if you read the first part of his statement, which actually contributes to the discussion. Anyways, the Old Testament isn’t something that Christians should completely disregard, nor something that they should pick and choose quotes out of context and apply them.

          • Aubwrestler August 22, 2011 at 8:05 pm -

            actually Jesus did sin, according to the Catholic church three times in his life. I’m not saying it to make a point just sayin. Oh and the earth gets closer to the sun every day..

          • Yoyo45 August 24, 2011 at 8:42 am -

            I think the common theme of religion is that it’s rules are for OTHER people to follow

          • JesusISSanta September 12, 2011 at 11:25 am -

            One degree…that’s fucking completely retarded

          • Poop September 15, 2011 at 8:26 am -

            So if I stand on a 10 foot ladder I’m going to burn up?  If I dig a ten foot hole will I turn to ice?  Read what you type and THINK ABOUT IT!

          • Inarichan September 26, 2011 at 4:21 am -

            If Adam was the first man, then Everyone on earth is in the boodline of adam, dumbass.

            First learn thought, THEN learn faith.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:26 pm -

            what u bascially just said about original sin is the influence of the catholics which is a man made religion not have to do more than just believe in him to go to heaven u have to obey the commandments and the law

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:28 pm -

            aubwestler i suggest you dont listen to the catholics becuase that just proves their wrong Jesus did not sin because he was the son of God he couldn’t sin.

          • Nathan Fears November 19, 2011 at 2:23 am -

            Bloodline of Adam… if you believe in Creationism as it is preached in the Bible (while simultaneously throwing out large amounts of evidence supporting evolution including what I’m about to toss at you) then you believe that god created two humans (Adam and Eve) so all of humanity comes from them. This means that all humans would be descendants of Adam, and would resemble them (based on genetics and the fact that the same genes would be repeating over and over -down syndrome would be rampant-) so there would only be one race. Then how would there be different races? That means people would have evolved over time to fit their needs based on their environment. You are supporting evolution by your claim. Also, I don’t need to restate what Harry said.

          • Jejozi58 May 15, 2012 at 11:54 am -

            Eve was the original sinner. Adam just went along, as any married man will understand.

          • Jejozi58 May 15, 2012 at 12:10 pm -

            Considering how many stars are in the universe, I’d call it happenstance.

            You say four people gave the same story? If they all knew the story of his life, why is there 25 – 30 years of his life unaccounted for?

            Jesus didn’t come in human form, he was a man.

            So, you can rob and assault people all you want and still get into heaven as long as you believe?

        • Sara August 5, 2011 at 11:35 am - Reply

          If you believe that God created everyone in his image, why would he create homosexuals if he thought they were wrong. you cannot just pick and choose parts of the bible to believe. i do not believe any of it because it contradicts itself thoroughly. however, i do not condemn those who do believe in it. anyone who swings towards homosexuality would be greatly insulted by this post. i think that the bible is based on a general moral code, which most other religions are based on also. i think this makes sense…

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:35 pm -

            the only reasons why u dont believe becuase it contradicts itself is becuase you dont understand it and u formed ur own image of what u think it means.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:35 pm -

            do u forget that he gave people free will? God doesn’t make anybody do anything they choose for themselves if they want to be good or bad.alot of people miss understand God they think it’s his fault the world is the way it is but in all reality we are to blame.

          • Lee Barbo November 12, 2011 at 9:57 pm -

            Free will… except in cases of mental retardation, traumatic brain injury, mental illness, birth defects, oxygen deprivation, etc…. People who suffer in such ways are not free to choose or not choose… yet, “no man cometh to the father but by me…” So I guess since they can’t choose, they will burn

          • Jejkzi58 May 15, 2012 at 12:41 pm -

            Really? So the baby born with birth defects is to blame for their maladies? If you’re going to give him credit for the good things in life, then you have to give him credit for the bad things, too.

          • Cheant November 11, 2011 at 2:49 pm -

            Homosexuals choose to be homosexuals.  That is where original sin comes into play.  no one is born gay, they choose to be

          • Paul O'Flaherty November 11, 2011 at 3:33 pm -

            If you honestly believe that then you must lead a VERY sheltered and controlled life and seriously need to expand your social circle and experience the REAL world.

          • geo November 13, 2011 at 12:02 am -

            in todays modern world, I find it a sad that people still believe that homosexuality is a choice. If you do some reading on the psychology of it, you will soon find out that people who most strongly believe that, are more often then not closeted homosexuals.

        • Paganoochi August 22, 2011 at 2:28 pm - Reply

          Jesus Himself NEVER said anything against homosexuality in the bible. Not one time.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:32 pm -

            if u look under the commandments in the bible you will see that homosexuality is a abomonation as well as sodomy and a bunch of other things why do u think God destroyed sodom and that other place it was full of homosexuals and it was against his rules this was also before the flood and before Jesus came down he kinda changed the way life goes by giving us free choice and by giving the world a judgement day whenever he chooses.

          • Lee Barbo November 12, 2011 at 9:54 pm -

            But didn’t Jesus come so we wouldn’t have to live that way anymore?

          • Guest November 14, 2011 at 8:16 pm -

            Elizabeth, while it is certain that you are a devout believer, from the numerous replies that I have read, you have not tried to prove anything, nor have your statements been consistant. (For example both sides debating the shroud of turin were glossing over the whole truth to bend it to their opinion). When dealing with people (like myself) who are not religious, the best approach is to use logic, because we do not respond well to “truths”, or statements without basis. That said, I will not defend what many of the others here have said. Many of the statements of the athiests on this post were equally poorly founded, and tended to stray towards adhominim, as a read mentioned above. (Thats where you attack a person, their beliefs or values, instead of their arguement).

            As for my view, people are human, and regardless of the origins of the bible, I am sure that you cannot argue that people are corrupt and imperfect. Everyone gets angry, has temptations, and makes mistakes (except for jesus/god if you believe). That includes that desciples, who are responsible for the new testement, and those before who wrote the bible. Based on this, regardless of intent, the bible could not possibly be perfectly accurate, as it was transcribed by man.

            To further the arguement, the resource I can find have said that there have been over 450 different english versions of the bible over the last couple centuries.  This implies that they are all different, and thus that non can be perfect. But also this proves more generally that even the original could not be perfect, as with all of those translations (particularily before the age of technology) the written copy of the bible would need to be used. By using this copy of the bible, it would deteriorate (as it is not preserved in an airtight compartment) and would thus need to be copied, which would result in minor changes (as everything is handwritten). I can also find no reference suggesting that the dead sea scrolls were perfectly identical to the bibles of today, if someone can find viable proof of that it would definetly help the counter argument, but proof must be presented, not just an alegation.

            Thats my two-cents if anyone cares :)

          • Strabalk November 15, 2011 at 12:44 pm -

            sweetheart. please do everyone here a favor and: 1. learn how to spell correctly (drives me personally crazy), 2. recall that earlier in this string, you stated “i resent that accusation i am a christian and i dont have any desire to
            get rid of gays i treat everybody the way God said to.” How can you say that you treat everyone the way God said to, yet call homosexuals an abomination? God said “Love thy neighbor as thyself.” We are all neighbors, even us queers.

            One last thing that really disturbs me about everyone who has commented on this string. Please stop being close minded. (Especially you Elizabeth, the “Christian Baptist Bible” is not the sole truth in the world) Has anyone here actually ***lived*** the saying “Walk a mile in another man’s shoes?” I was born a Christian. For the past few years I have been atheistic. And now, I have come to terms that science and logic can explain near everything. Yet, I still believe that mankind did not just happen by pure chance. Some higher hand maneuvered everything to work this way. That is the nature of Life.

          • Guest January 28, 2012 at 10:36 am -

            Guest, you sir, are amazing.

          • Jejozi58 May 15, 2012 at 12:34 pm -

            The 10 commandments say nothing about homosexuality. Are you referring to leviticus, per chance? Because there are a lot of things that are abominations in that book. Do you separate yourself from your people during your period? Ever eat shellfish or pork? How about speagkin in church? You’re not allowed, you know. Do you watch tv or read something other than the bible on Sunday? You shouldn’t, you know. I’ll bet there are many teachings in the bible you break every day. So please, quit cherry picking verses to suit your bigotry.

          • Gary Roberts June 10, 2012 at 1:12 am -

            @elizabeth shrack:
            you refer us to the 10 commandments for proof that homosexuality is wrong. the closest i could get to was the tenth one itself:
            Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt
            not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant,
            nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.
            “ass” in those days was referring to a “donkey”

            sodom and gomorrah was not ‘full of homosexuals’ – obviously this is just your interpretation as well.

            you are evidence that the bible is not always used as a guide for a moral life, but more of a weapon to justify your own prejudices and inability to think for yourself…

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:33 pm -

            i know for sure that you haven’t read the bible or else you wouldnt have said that i have personally seen where it says so myself in the bible.

      • Tha Lord July 26, 2011 at 11:26 pm - Reply

        I believe our savior Thomas Jefferson did something of that ilk.

      • Britty_onelove07 July 27, 2011 at 3:12 am - Reply

        the bible has been rewritten countless times by countless men with different beliefs, how does anyone know which parts to believe or not? 

        • Mitchell Webb1 July 28, 2011 at 11:39 pm - Reply

          but… but but i thought god wrote the bible :( you ruined my day

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:15 pm -

            um he did

          • Nathan Fears November 19, 2011 at 2:03 am -

            How would a being, not a man or woman write a book? I’m sure your answer will be something like: “Telling prophets his will.” Have you ever tried to write down a joke you heard an hour before? Almost never correct. You also have to remember they were most likely illiterate so they would only be able to speak these prophesies which would reduce the accuracy even more.

          • Atheismbyfire April 5, 2012 at 11:22 am -

            Which of the 450 different English versions did this god supposedly write? Also, which of the 38,000 different Protestant religions do you testify for? You people cannot figure out what you can collectively believe… So why in the hell should we believe you and your superstitious bullshit?

        • Claefuswilson August 1, 2011 at 4:20 pm - Reply

          That’s retarded. The Bible is one of the most accurately copied written works in human history. You’re an idiot.

          • becauseilove August 1, 2011 at 5:56 pm -

            Umm, no. No,the original Anglican print of a bible was changed to cater to the ruling King at the time. That has been the template for all English Bibles even today. So you can continue to blindly follow a religion of hate and hypocrisy and continue to insult people for their completely accurate claims. Just because you call someone an idiot doesn’t make your claim anymore plausible. It’s still ridiculously false.   

          • SuperDuper August 5, 2011 at 10:40 pm -

            There are a lot of different versions of the Bible today, so I’m not sure what you’re referring to as the “English Bible”. For all the closed-minded atheists, at least consider how sacred the Word of God is to Christians. It’s not just a bunch of idiots who are loosely translating the Bible and sticking in things where they want. Also, how is Christianity a religion of hate and hypocrisy? Sure it’s confusing, the truth usually is; but that Christianity enforces any sort of hatred is completely false.

          • Guest August 7, 2011 at 2:49 pm -

            One of the most common bibles out there today is King James version of the bible, and it was not translated to be accurate, it was translated to sound holy and pleasing to the ear.

          • Yoyo45 August 24, 2011 at 8:37 am -

            “We must respect the other fellow’s religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful, and that his children are smart” H.L. Mencken

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:06 pm -

            kate and hypocrisy is not a religion it’s the sins of those who are hard seem rather hard hearted yourself.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:07 pm -

            wow Guest you obviously have no idea what it is to be christian.

          • Tha Lord November 12, 2011 at 11:26 pm -

            @Elizabeth Shrack  Your nonsense is showing.  No one has chosen to “harden their heart”.  They choose to apply logic and reason to the evidence for religion and reject it because of the evidence that it is man-made.

          • fatherfeeley August 2, 2011 at 1:17 pm -

            I think that you are the idiot “Cletus”  it has be translated, rewritten and changed several times and its still the same crock of bollox but narrow minded theistic twats are far too stupid to question actually why they still subscribe to their absolutely contradictory fantastical beliefs, Cletus you are a first class knob.

          • DamnShame August 28, 2011 at 8:04 pm -

            um.. if it has been re-written and changed then why are the dead sea scrolls which are aproximately 2100 years old identical to the 1000 year old version of the bible.

            If nothing was changed in 1100 years how can you claim that it has been changed?

            you’re not making a lot of sence

          • Shiningpillar September 13, 2011 at 4:48 pm -

            @f029c15d8cc36dfd415fd56625fd729c:disqus actually there are no dead sea scrolls the same as the bible appears thousands of years later, so your evidence is false therefore I can claim that the bible has changed as there is no counter-evidence and numerous accounts of actual evidence siting specific times that it was changed by various ruling powers to help control their people.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:03 pm -

            the christian baptist bible is the only one that hasn’t been changed

          • Love of Christ June 22, 2012 at 1:33 pm -

            I have a PhD in Theology. I am not certain of where you receive your information, but you are incorrect.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:03 pm -

            so what are u going to say when God asks you on judgement day why you said and acted the way you did?

          • Randomap June 15, 2012 at 11:16 pm -

            If God exists, I would say to him, “Judge me on my actions, not my beliefs.” Fatherfeeley has done and said nothing wrong.

          • Lee Barbo November 12, 2011 at 9:59 pm -

            Bart D. Ehrman has detailed documentation of the 100,000+ changes (some significant, some not so much) in the New Testament alone

          • Tha Lord November 12, 2011 at 11:23 pm -

            You won’t be saying anything when you die.  Dead people are dead.

          • Mikao Yamakuro June 1, 2012 at 4:37 am -

            Hear, hear!!!! I vouch for these words…

          • Mikao Yamakuro June 1, 2012 at 4:41 am -

            PEOPLE… the wrods may be the same…its he meaning that has been lost… why does it matter if Jesus said that it is easier for a camel to pass through the hole of a needle than a sinner to enter heaven..or whatever…its the meaning of his words….. what did he consider to be sinner? What is a needle hole? What type of camel was he talking about? What did he mean by enter heaven? Did he mean literally enter, or the person’s soul enter? Jesus…you people are thick as hell.

          • Puddin Cup August 3, 2011 at 8:23 pm -

            Successful troll is successful.

          • Magdalene October 25, 2011 at 10:47 pm -

            I wish my name was Pudding Cup

          • Quixex August 7, 2011 at 7:08 pm -

            This is the most accurate cartoon ever

          • Munkajones August 12, 2011 at 3:07 pm -


          • dumb ass August 8, 2011 at 12:28 am -

            that’s not even close to true. retard

          • Blah August 20, 2011 at 7:22 am -

            its human nature to change things to your perception. Sometimes you do it consciously, but most of the time you do it unconsciously. Since the bible has been translated hundreds of times by humans, it is inevitable that it has been changed to suit the popular beliefs of that time…

          • guest August 8, 2011 at 4:25 pm -

            you really think over the thousands of years of obnoxious Christians wanting to rid the world of gays, haven’t changed or edited one thing? you are seriously the dumbest person on the planet, you need to realize that humans will make change things to the way they want to, not how it was originally written…ESPECIALLY the bible.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:13 pm -

            i resent that accusation i am a christian and i dont have any desire to get rid of gays i treat everybody the way God said to.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:14 pm -

            people change things all the time but God never insulted at your words.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:15 pm -

            there are still copies of the earliest bibles how do u think the ones to this day were made? do your must be a athiest becuase ur threatened by shows.guilty are we?

          • Ajhscmc November 16, 2011 at 1:32 am -

            Elizabeth Shrack better start stoning people if you are to treat people the way god tells you…. don’t forget the forced rape and genocide

          • Nathan Fears November 19, 2011 at 2:00 am -

            @yahoo-GLUDCT7XSYGABU3GGQVC2AMAMY:disqus There are copies of incredibly old Bibles, most are so old in fact, that the writing has deteriorated making distinguishing much of it almost impossible. It also does not help that they are written in languages that have changed over time, causing more trouble translating. Ex. English at the time of Shakespeare differs greatly from the forms of English we speak now.

          • Nastacia August 16, 2011 at 3:32 pm -

            sorry you’re wrong. The bible is actually one of the most INACCURATELY copied works in human history. To be completely honest most of the stuff doesn’t even apply to christian followers–look it up 

          • DamnShame August 28, 2011 at 11:25 pm -

            um.. if it has been re-written and changed then why are the dead sea scrolls which are aproximately 2100 years old identical to the 1000 year old version of the bible.

            If nothing was changed in 1100 years how can you claim that it has been changed?

            you’re not making a lot of sence     

          • Tanner Hinsey September 23, 2011 at 4:48 pm -

            lol. “look it up”. because google is the most factual place to find information about the origins of the bible. ohhhh btw… wikipedia is not a good place to look.

          • Kaykimb August 22, 2011 at 7:48 am -

            In fact, the bible started out being passed down orally, like fairytales, or a game of telephone.

          • Surfstyl12 September 14, 2011 at 1:13 am -

            your mom was passed down orally…

          • Tanner Hinsey September 23, 2011 at 4:46 pm -

            wtf. that is actually less true than you think. please stop making up facts.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:05 pm -

            no it didn’t idk where ur getting that info from.

          • Nathan Fears November 19, 2011 at 1:53 am -

            @yahoo-GLUDCT7XSYGABU3GGQVC2AMAMY:disqus By taking a world history class, you would know that the majority of the world was and IS illiterate. It would be impossible to write down stories when you can’t write.

          • Al December 9, 2011 at 10:19 am -

            Only the haftorah.  The jewish bible was 2 parts.  The original writings (Torah) and the commentaries (haftorah). They were kept oral so they would change with the culture. keeping the religion relevant.  They were eventually written down also so they wouldn’t be lost.

          • Atheismbyfire April 5, 2012 at 11:18 am -

            I have never seen such a cluster-fuck of un-provable posts in my damn life… Half of you need to read a damn book and quit listening to street preachers that tell you shit with their hand down your pants… ahem… Elazabeth Shrak…. 

          • dntgivasht August 22, 2011 at 9:01 pm -

            oh yeah cuz theres all kinds of other books and recorded history saying that

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:12 pm -

            not as accurate as the bible tho.The bible foretold Jesus just like God said whoever calls the bible a fake will be judged for that horribly someday they should be scared of that more than anything else

          • guest August 23, 2011 at 11:10 am -

            ur an idiot its the biggest fiction book ever made is what u should have said

          • Toomuchhypocracy September 15, 2011 at 5:48 pm -

            It has been translated through so many languages that it can’t possibly be 100% accurate and it wasn’t copied and produced for long after jesus died.  Until then there was very few copies and most stories were passed through generations.  Even today translating from one language to another isn’t 100% accurate because some languages have words that describe something that others don’t. 

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:09 pm -

            nothing like denying God who gave u life.What do u suppose ur answer will be to God on judgement day when he asks u why u denied him?

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:10 pm -

            If the bible is wrong and not truthful then explain how it is that it’s author is real? might try looking up the Shroud Of Turin? it’s 100 percent real.i would know i researched it.

          • Love of Christ June 22, 2012 at 1:49 pm -

            As have I. I have been to Israel, and other places so many times to study Christianity, which is my faith. I do believe that there are discrepancies in the bible based on things proven over time. I believe in Jesus Christ, and love him, but what has always gotten me in my studies is that people for example, want to say something is wrong because the bible says it is. Yet they don’t follow the entire bible. I have had many pastors stumped around me when I have asked them if they eat pork and lobster, and they tell me they do. When I say that it is wrong according to Leviticus 11:10, and Leviticus 11:7, they give me the answer that “well, things were different then, that was written in the Old Testament.” Then I ask them to explain how homosexuality is wrong. I then repeat their response. They have no idea how to answer because they cannot. The Shroud of Turin. There are scientists who are Christians who claim it is, and there are scientists who are not who claim it’s not. Each side I suppose could come up with theories to try to prove their claims and disprove the other side’s. Fact is it has never been definitively be proven one way or another.

          • Tha Lord November 12, 2011 at 11:29 pm -

            Shroud of Turin disproven by carbon dating.

          • Vryanwagner September 24, 2011 at 10:26 am -

            You’re incorrect. The Bible has not been one of the most accurately copied texts.  I majored in Theology in college. Several semesters worth of study as well as some of the world’s best biblical scholars say you’ve got some learning to do yourself. PS You don’t do anything to enhance your arguments when you resort to ad hominem logical fallacies like calling your opponent names. 

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:10 pm -

            really? that is why all of the prophecies that were foretold came true like Jesus for instance?

          • Tha Lord November 12, 2011 at 11:28 pm -

            @Elizabeth  Jesus secured a donkey so that the prophecy could be fulfilled.  Asses can be arranged.  Anyone can claim to fulfill a prophecy that was written before.  

          • Nathan Fears November 19, 2011 at 1:50 am -

            @yahoo-GLUDCT7XSYGABU3GGQVC2AMAMY:disqus Have you ever played a game, and something happens, and someone says, “I called it!”? It’s really not hard to do. It is also very easy just to add it into a story.

          • smartass September 28, 2011 at 3:18 am -

            you obviously didn’t have to post on the internet to prove you stupidity if you think that

          • Ssor12 September 28, 2011 at 4:52 pm -

            I agree with you Claefuswilson. 
            Plus, why would God let his Word be changed as to make the stories and messages untrue? It just wouldn’t make any sense.

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:11 pm -

            obviously you mistaken the words of God horribly.

          • N Willard November 16, 2011 at 5:26 pm -

            I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not.

          • Herp October 18, 2011 at 8:39 pm -


            Prove it

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:02 pm -

            it’s also the most describedly prophecised that has come true as well

          • Lee Barbo November 12, 2011 at 9:48 pm -

            Sheeple… bleat, bah, *silence* (of the lambs)

          • Taylor December 17, 2011 at 7:37 pm -

            Elizabeth, I’ve been reading your posts. And it seems to me that the best counterargument of which you are capable is “Well, what will you say to God on Judgement Day?” According to the principles of logic, this question is a non sequitur fallacy, basically meaning that, while we have been discussing the translation of the bible through generations, your only point with which to refute it is a point entirely unrelated to the translation of the bible. 
            Also, you said that the Baptist Bible is the only one that hasn’t changed. You do realize that the Baptist Bible is based off the same King James one that we’ve been discussing, and which HAS been translated and retranslated through the years?

          • chuck November 17, 2011 at 10:00 pm -

            the have been changed by men multiple times. if you want to believe in something, believe in something that has been concrete since the beginning, not something that has changed over the years. dont you think consistancy should count for something?

          • Martinrtini November 19, 2011 at 5:32 am -

            You’re a fucking idiot because the bible was written in Hebrew. You can’t translate, only transportation interpretation, which means not everything is creditable. That and the writings date back 500 years after the death of jesus christ. Also jesus disappeared most of his life learning about religion, which he turned around and started preaching. The preachings were of another ones beliefs. read about it sucka

          • Ladee Dadee November 25, 2011 at 2:52 pm -

            I think the Old Testament was written in Hebrew but the New Testament was written in Greek.

          • you sir, are an imbecile. January 9, 2012 at 7:53 pm -

            1. Hebrew copies of the bible exist dumbass, they haven’t ceased to be because they’ve been translated. If you want to cross reference them, go ahead. you can read the Bible in it’s original language (Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic), and indeed, many do.

            2. it’s pretty hard to misinterpret an entire book dedicated to the acts of Jesus after he died.

            3. The latest gospel was written 97 years after. 97, not 500, and that was the latest one (luke). The other three were written by eyewitnesses, and Luke consisted of information collected from eyewitnesses.

            4. Of course he bloody learnt about religion, he’s a religious guy, the point was, he pointed out the flaws in what the teachers of the law were teaching.

          • Dffff February 4, 2012 at 4:07 am -

            the only thing that matters that when jesus comes back, we kill him again.  this way we’ll be rid of the fuckwit christians and be free to have all the anal and heavy metal parties we want.  quite frankly, hell on earth is simply the current earth without religious cunts in it.  sounds like heaven doesn’t it…….lololololololololololololololololololololo………god is a coward.  lets bash the cunt and kill his son again

          • BigFat Mess December 4, 2011 at 7:06 pm -

            What you think of “copied” most people (historians, researchers, scientists etc) call “secondary research”…. Obv.

          • Lhklyce December 6, 2011 at 9:58 am -

            Do you have proof of your statement? Who says it was accurately copied?  And what about the translation?  Or do you actually think it was written in English?

          • Al December 9, 2011 at 10:13 am -

            Only the old testament stays accurate and only kosher copies. They have to be hand copied on sheepskin in the original language and alphabet that it was written in.
              The forbidding of homosexuality is actually taken out of context.  Temple prostitution, gay or straight, is what is actually forbidden in the original text.
            There was no polyester back then.  Shotnez was forbidden.  A mixture of wool and flax.

          • Kieran Nee December 17, 2011 at 12:59 pm -

            haha cletus. claefuswilson, are you some kinda moron?? the bible gets changed with every translation to suit the needs of the current regime in power. in fact, in the early days when the bible was kinda struggling against roman mythology, for it to be allowed in the roman empire, a lot of it had to be changed and taken out to suit the romans. now, im not saying it aint a good book, but if you’re gonna try and live your life by it, well you’re obviously a knob head

          • Mikao Yamakuro June 1, 2012 at 4:34 am -

            NO its not the most accurate copied written works…….. The Torah and the Quran are as tehy are maintained in theor original tongues..the bible has been trasnlated from Greek and Aramaic to latin and then to other languages, and then in each language it has been modernised to grammar and meaning… but meaning is lost in these translation.. first rule of interpretation of languages… cutlural factors are ingrained in written words that if translated wrong are lost forever,  if people translating do not know or cannot access the original meaning of the source…. for example, ‘raining cats and dogs’ in English means’ raining a lot’…if translated without mean other people in other future cultures will think it actually rained cats and dogs (as a mirable from god)… unfortunately most of the bible was translated literally and without us knowing the metaphors behing their words… so, caution on reading it…. they’re not facts!

          • James Smith June 1, 2012 at 6:12 am -

            Accurately copied?  Then no one in the days of had-copying never made an error?  There was never an error made in translation?  No one ever made a “slight edit, for their own good”?  Here’s an example of how verifiable historical events and places are used to “prove”the rest is true.

            On the 11th of September, 2001, two commercial aircraft flew into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, killing thousands.

            Some people believe that this was an act of terrorism by an Islamic fundamentalist organization.

            It was really the power of my god (he who must not be named) directing those planes to warn the people of the USA and the world to abandon their wicked ways and praise the only true god.

            The first sentence is unquestionable historic fact.  The last sentence is a delusional lie but is impossible to prove to be false.   The “truth” of all “holy books” is based upon this same technique.You sir, are a verifiable fool.

        • Tanner Hinsey September 23, 2011 at 4:45 pm - Reply

          common misconception. it was rewritten in the sense that they went in there and changed whatever they wanted. what happens is over time it is retranslated as people found better and more accurate words to translate from the old texts

          • thekatieajones November 15, 2011 at 2:15 pm -

            I keep spotting really ignorant comments and every time I do, the name “Tanner” is attached.

        • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:01 pm - Reply

          the christian baptist bible has always stayed the same all the other bibles have changed.but the basic law and the commandments are still the same.

          • Tha Lord November 12, 2011 at 11:30 pm -

            The Baptist Bible is written in Hebrew?

          • Nathan Fears November 19, 2011 at 2:06 am -

            Apparently it was also written by illiterate people.

          • Naomi November 16, 2011 at 5:20 pm -

            You know the ONLY thing that stay’s the same? Change.  Take grammatical skills for instance.  Once upon a time everyone believed in using them.  But the internet has apparently changed that.  Everything changes, and that includes the written word and your supposedly unchanged christian baptist bible.  

          • Shesgot3 May 9, 2012 at 6:31 am -

            Why do you call it the Christian Baptist Bible?  It is the King James version, which is not used by only Baptists.  

        • Ashley B November 13, 2011 at 9:26 pm - Reply

          King James Version, not the New King James Version, is the only version that is truly accurate.  It has been translated the fewest and is the closet to the dead sea scrolls. 

          • Paul O'Flaherty November 13, 2011 at 9:45 pm -

            The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered between 1947 and 1956 and the first edition of the King James Bible was completed in 1611. Either your statement is due to some secret knowledge of time travel or you are sadly ill-informed.

          • Nathan Fears November 19, 2011 at 2:05 am -

            She is saying that they are most similar. Not that the King James Bible was translated from the Dead Sea Scrolls.

          • Xylofyle November 24, 2011 at 11:52 pm -

            it is interesting to see the number of misspellings, grammatical errors, wrong words (there insteasd of their as an example) and fragmented sentences by the educated elite of the christian world. writing also lacks the tone inflection or intention of oral converstaions. i see this in numerous postings, when someone cannot discern what is meant by various statements.
            how can one believe the biblical writings have not changed through typos or errors of these types, over the past 35 centuries?  though gutenberg’s press helped slow down the mistakes, it allowed them to be massed produced when they are made.  
            this does not take into acount deliberately made changes of which many were made in the bible text. some were made in hopes of creating better understanding, while some were made to make the text fit in with the writer’s  or person authorizing the changes, agenda.
            someone previously mentioned prof. bart ehrman, who has written a great deal on the problems of biblical writings. i would suggest anyone who has not read at least one of his books, do so before posting. they are educating and enlightening.

          • Taylor December 17, 2011 at 7:41 pm -

            Thank you for posting something literate and meaningful in the sea of venomous trash posted by the rest of these trolls.
            I enjoy how many logical fallacies are committed by the people on both sides of this argument.

        • Heatsstyle March 16, 2012 at 9:44 pm - Reply

          That’s why Jesus said ” you look dilligently to the Scriptures bc you believe they will give you eternal life but I am the one that the Scriptures speak of yet you refuse to accept me to receive life!!” Its not in the book, its in the heart, God judges the heart, get out of Scriptures and accept Christ into your heart, which many of us do but we read more and more to try and decipher or have something to quote, forget quotes and trying to figure the book out, follow a path of love, choose love and compassion in all situations and toward all man on earth and you have chosen correctly.

      • Clay July 28, 2011 at 12:23 am - Reply

        I agree with you for the most part, Christians tend to make very contradictory statements about how the Bible is God’s word and that it is all truth, yet do not abide what is often considered the “old law.” However, about the verses you used to go against homosexuality, there are verses in the new testament that also speak out against such things (1 Corinthians 6:9 for example).

        • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:50 pm - Reply

          how do u consider the old law if it doesn’t apply since Jesus died for us and how do u contradict something that was fullfilled?

        • Guest December 15, 2011 at 11:24 am - Reply

          I know people are trolling for the most part here, but it does piss me off that atheism somehow makes you people so superior to the obviously idiotic Christians. Not all religious people are ignorant bigots – many can reconcile their faith with logic. Also who cares if they can’t? What gives you the right to shit on the meaning in someone’s life? All you little keyboard warriors should  start actually living your meaningless lives cause hell, if you only have one why are you wasting your time trying to depress people who actually have a bit of optimism in their lives (misguided or not).

          • Paul O'Flaherty December 15, 2011 at 11:34 am -

            We’ll stop trolling and speaking out when religious people stop proselytizing and trying to force their religion into schools, politics and everywhere else that is shouldn’t belong. 

          • Guest June 24, 2012 at 3:52 pm -

            Love you.

      • Jordan August 7, 2011 at 6:23 pm - Reply

        could not have said it ANY better myself

      • Relax... September 16, 2011 at 8:34 pm - Reply

        actually….Jesus came to save the people from the law, but he also spoke on homosexuality too….win that.

        • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:48 pm - Reply

          Jesus did not come to save the people from the law he died to wipe our sins away so that we might get closer to God so we can get to heaven nothing to do with the law but he did speak about homosexuality that is correct

        • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:49 pm - Reply

          he fullfilled the law which was prophecies by his Father everything that has happened when god created the world was all planned out i just wish i knew when God was formed.

      • Angelfarris September 16, 2011 at 9:29 pm - Reply

        It also says that jesus said and made clear which rules were rubbish and which rules we should follow. so get your facts straight before you speak your mind.

      • iHateHomos September 17, 2011 at 2:17 am - Reply

        you probably just love having fat cocks shoved up your ass, dont you faggot. go deepthroat a 12 inch black cock you disgraceful piece of shit

        • Tdubya0069 September 17, 2011 at 9:31 am - Reply

          I love it when you turn me on!

        • 1corinthians1311 September 17, 2011 at 3:53 pm - Reply

          Ah, you MUST be one of those “non judgmental Christians.” Nice language, too.

        • GarthB September 17, 2011 at 4:01 pm - Reply

          What a tosser. uHateEveryone!

        • Aave89 September 18, 2011 at 1:20 am - Reply

          @iHateHomos Wow! youre a fucking looser, if you hate gay people that much you must just be in denial yourself..

        • Dleahy9912 September 18, 2011 at 8:51 am - Reply

          Mmmm, you’re so sexy when you’re fundamental. Want to meet up and have a cheeky bum? xoxoxox

      • Superdevil... Ironic I know September 18, 2011 at 8:17 pm - Reply

        its all about context dude the bible also says that the world was destroyed by a seven headed dragon and his anti christ but unless u read more u will never know that they were actually talking about future events. what howdybre says is true those were instructions to the isrealites in order to stand apart from a sinful world. for example the eating of pork and lobster back then was much more dangerous do to a general lack of hygeine. i implore you believe what u will but always seek the truth and live it in all things

      • Josh Cohen September 18, 2011 at 8:30 pm - Reply

        Yes the Old Testament does have some curious laws and it stories are often hard to believe, but does a story have to be true for its meaning to be true? The core value the Old Testament revisits time and time again through metaphor and straight out saying it is: Treat your neighbor how you want to be treated. Now I think that’s probably the best peace of advice ever given, the rest is just advice and interpretation of how to achieve that goal.

        • Nate September 20, 2011 at 1:27 am - Reply

          I thought it was about how God was angry, jealous and wanted everyone to deprive themselves of things that felt good or made them happy. Oh yeah, and women were property. That’s the most important part aside from Thou Shalt Not Kill.

          I don’t think many people care too much about that last one, though.

          • Jejozi58 May 15, 2012 at 11:50 am -

            Haven’t you heard “Thou shalt not kill” is a mistranslation. Now, allegedly, what they really said was, “Thou shalt not murder”. It helps the relious right feel better about supporting things like war and the death penalty.

        • Astro September 20, 2011 at 10:52 pm - Reply

          Like when god told the Hebrews to kill every man woman and child in the land of canaan?

          (Right after receiving a commandment condemning such things)

          • smartass September 28, 2011 at 3:17 am -

            Astro I would also like to add the fact that there have been how many crusades? Wait weren’t the deaths of millions in the name of the lord himself in those? I forgot to add your right

          • Arbiter November 23, 2011 at 1:55 am -

            speaking as a simple observer, the crusades were not ordered by God himself, they were a product of ignorance about muslims and corrupt government/church leaders

          • River M Song November 23, 2011 at 12:56 pm -

            The Crusades were thanks to power-hungry popes who wanted their own armies. Again, the foolishness of man doing things falsely under the Lord’s name. All too many horrible deeds have been done in God’s name, even though Jesus said to love your neighbor.

      • Marc M. September 20, 2011 at 6:59 pm - Reply

        gay marriage is banned in the new testament too guy

      • Tanner Hinsey September 23, 2011 at 4:43 pm - Reply

        theres a difference between SOME things in the old testament referring only to the israelites, and ALL things in the old testament referring to the israelites. oh and in case your still “confused”, Leviticus is addressed directly to the israelites, while Genesis naturally occurred before them. :)

      • Anstrachan September 30, 2011 at 12:20 am - Reply

        The bible is printed on rice paper….

      • Guest October 3, 2011 at 7:03 am - Reply

        A lot of Christians aren’t against homosexuality or gay marriage…because Jesus didn’t explicitly speak against homosexuality. In fact, I was taught in CATHOLIC SCHOOL that one of the apostles was gay. I understand that many Christians give us a bad name, but they are a minority–though quite a vocal one. It’s unfair to make sweeping judgements of people simply because of their religion. I’m for any religion that teaches that love of your neighbor is the most important thing, and that’s why I’m Christian. Unfortunately, many of my brethren take this more as a theory instead of a practice.

         Like Ghandi said, “I love your Christ, but I do not love your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

        • guest November 1, 2011 at 10:02 pm - Reply

          I am Christian myself, yet I am a supporter of the LGBT community. The belief I hold is that God loves us all, and that includes the homosexual community. Why complicate that belief?

          Just agreeing with a fellow guest

          • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:45 pm -

            dont need to complicate it just alot of people cant put their feelings aside to follow the bible plus they confuse their feelings with the bible.i am christian and i dont support the lgbt community but obviously i will treat them like any other person i see.

        • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:42 pm - Reply

          that is bascially saying Jesus died for nothing.

        • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:42 pm - Reply

          if u have ever read the bible you would see specifically that it says homosexuality is a abomination as well as sodomy.have seen it myself.the catholics have a entirely different bible than we do and their religion is not 100 percent accurate how can they even call themselves religious if they supposidly believe and follow a God that sinned 3 times now to hear that one of the apostoles was gay? give me a break.

        • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:43 pm - Reply

          they might as well compare themselves to a muslim who believe in a person hating man not a God

      • Tree October 15, 2011 at 9:31 am - Reply

        Totally agree with you. I think there should be more gay marriages in america and europe cause you show the world how to live in a bright and democratic future. Bible is so archaic for the civilized people. Gay power, man!

      • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:01 pm - Reply

        paul do u forget what the old testament was about and when it was written? gay marriage is not in the old testament it’s in the new testament which the era hasn’t been done yet.the old testament was fullfilled when Jesus came that part doesn’t count anymore.

      • Shaheedy88 November 13, 2011 at 1:08 pm - Reply

        um actually that point is restated in the new testament which is to us, so once again get your facts straight

      • Ashley November 13, 2011 at 9:16 pm - Reply

        I think you need to reread the New Testament.  There are some parts of the New Testament that talks about homosexuality. Romans 1 talks about homosexuality and So does many parts of Matthew. 

      • Ashley B November 13, 2011 at 9:25 pm - Reply

        You need to reread your bible.  The New Testament does talk about homosexuals several times.  Romans 1 is an example of this.  Matthew also talks about this topic.

        • Paul O'Flaherty November 13, 2011 at 9:51 pm - Reply

          And you need to read what I am actually saying rather than “assuming you know” without paying attention.

          I never claimed that such bigotry doesn’t exist in the New Testament, I was strictly speaking about the old testament and why so many people say the rules don’t matter but, when it suits them, still cherry pick passages from the old testament to support their own bigotry and hatred.

      • Arbiter November 23, 2011 at 2:01 am - Reply

        these verses have nothing to do with gay marriage. The above verses simply talk about adam and eve being created. anyone who thinks that the Bible explicitly condemns gay marriage is wrong.

      • Bj_suitor December 5, 2011 at 12:59 pm - Reply

        actually if u look in the new testament God told peter that it was ok to eat the unhealthy foods just like its ok to wear mix clothing and interact with women on periods however the new testaments reconfirms the idea that homosexuality is unnatural

      • One December 9, 2011 at 1:11 pm - Reply

        actualy the jews follow the old testament, christians follow the new.  Jesus was said to have come back to change the old laws and he instituted the new ones, hence the new testament.  Christians really should only be using the old one as a history.   Just to point that out, and your also right in that they should not refer to the old testament to prove gay marrige is wrong, and although i see nothing wrong with gay marrige it is in the newtestament somewhere, can’t remeber exactly where though, that gay marrige is wrong.

      • Anonymous January 28, 2012 at 12:35 pm - Reply

        The Bible is a collection of folk stories.  I teach Sunday school and I know that.  The stories were told by mouth for hundreds of years before being written down on paper by hand by men who were able to interperet the stories as they so desired.  The church then took those writings, translated them into different languages so that it was worded the way they wanted it, took pieces out and preached that it is the only word to live by.  It is NOT.  If you’re really gunna push the Genesis quotes, lets ask science how they feel about it.  No one said “that part of the bible doesnt count” but if you’re going to say that the Bible says being Gay is wrong then you must follow EVERY OTHER RULE the Bible has listed.  And if I recall correctly, which I’m pretty sure I do, we were told to “Love thy neighbor” and you clearly are not if you have any prejudice against any person in this world.

        Yeah, you just got owned

    • Gr_172 July 16, 2011 at 6:56 pm - Reply

      dont be a bitch its a joke laugh about it and move on you fucking douche

      • Guest July 17, 2011 at 3:35 pm - Reply

        youre so right, thats the douchiest wink face I’ve ever seen. what a prick

        • Steve July 18, 2011 at 11:14 pm - Reply

          the best part is that it was just about the bible, not even the christian bible specifically. so his entire argument is poop

          • guest July 19, 2011 at 1:00 am -

            …that IS the christian bible he’s using…spefically…0_o

          • guest July 21, 2011 at 4:06 pm -

            actually, all are from the old testament except for cursing which is found in the new testament. the new testament is considered the christian bible.

          • Cyfrin10 July 20, 2011 at 7:34 am -

            Gosh!  How many Bibles are there?  Can I get to choose?  I want the flying spaghetti monster one with a green cover, please.

          • Rigela_hl July 20, 2011 at 11:54 am -

            You’re a Pastafarian?  Did they let you take your driver’s license photo with a colander on your head?

          • Ian August 22, 2011 at 8:10 pm -

            Yay for Pastafarians!!

          • Guest June 24, 2012 at 3:53 pm -

            You’re awesome!

    • LOL July 16, 2011 at 11:02 pm - Reply

      does it actually say, “oh btdubs  just jking @isrealites this only applies to you LOL ROFLMAO

    • OwBlargh July 17, 2011 at 4:24 am - Reply

      While that is true Jesus spoke about the laws still being relevant to Christians and in fact is a bit more extreme about it.  Matthew 5, 27-30,    “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’  But I say to you everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery  with her in his heart.  If your right eye causes you to sin tear it out and throw it away.”  He goes on to say if you divorce your wife(unless the marriage was invalid)  it causes her to commit adultery and whoever marries a divorced woman also commits adultery.

      • james August 2, 2011 at 1:22 am - Reply

        jesus was making a point that we are all sinners! he was saying that EVERYONE  of the bloodline of adam is a sinner but jesus was not of the bloodline of adam because he had no earthly father in john 14:6 he says i am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me

        • galone August 24, 2011 at 12:29 pm - Reply

          “but jesus was not of the bloodline of adam because he had no earthly father”

          he was born of a mother who was born of a mother and father of a bloodline of adam and eve. jesus had adam lineage trough the mother.

          but i suppose this is a logical point and doesnt matter. we are all incestuous inbreads from adam and eve and then again from noah and family. no wonder the world  is as bad as it is.

          • mrf1shie September 17, 2011 at 1:28 pm -

            Actually there was an argument (made up some time in the middle ages) that Mary and all her ancestors were without original sin for some reason. Not sure how it works, but someone I know is doing a dissertation on it. There were  some damn crazy ideas to try and make the bible as fact make sense. Then again, we still have creationists so maybe not much has changed.

          • Inarichan September 26, 2011 at 4:27 am -

            THat’s Catholicism, it applies only to Mary mother of God, not anyone else.

    • Bryanl83 July 17, 2011 at 8:28 am - Reply

      If you’re going to tell people to get their facts straight then perhaps you should learn how to spell Pagan you fucktard

    • TwoReplies July 18, 2011 at 8:02 pm - Reply

      Isn’t it nice to pick and choose what religious items to follow,
      and disregard the other items as being for another religion
      (even though they’re still included).
      Yeay to the irrational nature of religious logic. O_O

    • Jboda92 July 19, 2011 at 8:41 pm - Reply

      if the old testament was for Israelis then gay marriage is fine for all non-Jews, and doesn’t the bible forbid the use of mind altering substances? yet scripture tells of Jesus drinking alcohol.  The bible has a variety of meanings to many people. its not like he mocked a religion, merely the assholes who go out of their way to look smart and all knowing *ahem howdybre*

      • Sdgds July 20, 2011 at 11:07 pm - Reply

        assholes eh? sounds to me like your talking all about what the bible says not to do… but it seems like you’ve never read it.

    • gjdisla July 20, 2011 at 3:13 am - Reply

      so now all of a sudden, in this current time and era, anyone following that religion with a piercing, tattoo, or with a beard is a pagan.
      i’m suuure.
      your argument is invalid.

      • Larry July 20, 2011 at 11:20 am - Reply

        I concur! Invalid, sir!

      • guest July 22, 2011 at 1:13 pm - Reply

        invalid yes but who dosent like christmas which is a pagan holiday that the christians stole and changed the name of course.

        • Sara August 5, 2011 at 11:40 am - Reply

          too true, the holiday was *ahem* “stolen” because it would make it easier to transfer the pagans to christianity. that was why they chose that date. makes sense really.

        • Jew4Jesus September 18, 2011 at 3:28 am - Reply

          The winter solstice and the day your referring to is the 21st of December, not the 25th. The Christians didn’t steal Christmas, the Grinch did… idiot!

          • guest October 27, 2011 at 7:12 am -

            um no. the winter solstice is a separate holiday from Yule which is the pagan holiday that xmas rips off. also- excuse me sir, i believe your stupid is showing.

    • Cyfrin10 July 20, 2011 at 7:35 am - Reply

      Sop I get to pick and mix like candy?  Cool!

    • Hello World! July 21, 2011 at 11:15 pm - Reply

      Read my mind, HowdyBre!

    • Kenneth Burke July 22, 2011 at 7:56 am - Reply

      The Bible never says anything against tattoos.  It’s been misinterpreted in a few English translations when the Hebrew and Greek versions clearly say, “Don’t cut yourself in the name of the dead,” which is nothing of the sort.  And where as I did feel the same about the facts yada yada doesn’t apply after the Old Testament yada I still laughed. 

    • guest July 22, 2011 at 2:28 pm - Reply

      Well to be fair, Jesus didn’t change any of the moral laws of the Old Testament, he just got rid of the sacrificial laws. 

    • Me July 22, 2011 at 11:31 pm - Reply


    • Guest July 22, 2011 at 11:37 pm - Reply

      youre on a damn website named unfollowing Jesus and youre criticizing the photo for mocking a religion. also im pretty sure hes just treating “the bible” as a book and nothing else.

    • Chai August 1, 2011 at 7:07 pm - Reply

      Get your grammar straight before you mock an article. =]

    • Josh August 5, 2011 at 3:14 am - Reply

      For those of you asking why the OT is included if the rules binding the Israelites are no longer applicable many of the lessons that are there are applicable at any point at time with guidance from the Holy Spirit.  The aspect of the inclusion of rules at the time period were not random rules without purpose that contradict something else, rather they were designed to represent something or carry a message to those people that would last throughout time even if the laws were no longer followed.  Things like “Don’t eat shrimp” we’re designed due the idea that God wanted us to understand that when we partake of something it should be pure and designated, and at the time most people still hadn’t figured out what to distinguish it as– bug, fish etc. I encourage you all to be sensitive of each other’s beliefs and support them in a respectable debate.  God bless you all and I hope all your lives are destined for happiness. :)

      • DrKookiexxx August 22, 2011 at 1:23 pm - Reply

        so when god told everyone not to eat shrimp, they couldnt figure out if he really meant shrimp, or bugs maybe? seriously? your god hates you, thats why he made you retarded and gullible.

    • Den Hickey August 5, 2011 at 10:32 am - Reply

      So, where in the Bible does it say those rules were only for the Israelites and are not applicable to all christians today?  Better… where does it say that only some of those rules still apply, such as rules against homosexuality… which I don’t believe christ ever mentions?

    • NaramSin August 8, 2011 at 8:40 pm - Reply

      So, as a christian you get to “pick and choose” which things God didn’t want you to do. Whatever is convenient?

    • Clane702 August 12, 2011 at 12:22 pm - Reply

      yeah but if God created everybody to be equal why would there be specific rules for one type of person, it makes no sense

    • thanks August 12, 2011 at 8:48 pm - Reply

      No need for me to comment because you already said everything I could.

    • yo momma August 15, 2011 at 7:09 pm - Reply

      your an idiot we all hate you 

    • Jmcglasson August 21, 2011 at 5:03 pm - Reply

      so i guess you are saying that we should pick and choose which parts of the bible we listen to…you are an idiot…believe it all or none of it…

    • Bil Jaques August 23, 2011 at 10:29 pm - Reply

      understand the universe before you try to mock other people about interpretation of belief with no basis

    • Suzanne Bailey August 24, 2011 at 10:09 am - Reply

      Speaking of getting facts straight, howdybre, the Israelites WERE pagans, and the evidence for that is available to you in great abundance in your own copy of the Old Testament. Abraham, Jacob,  Moses and ALL their Israelite contemporaries believed not that their god was the only god, as we have been taught, but that their god was the BEST god. This is demonstrated repeatedly not only in archeological evidence but even in Old Testament scripture. “Who is like you among gods, Yahweh!” Exodus 15:11. “Now I know that Yahweh is greater than all other gods!” Exodus 18:11. Even the First Commandment clearly demonstrates a pagan view: “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” (There’s an abundance of other scripture examples as well, but these are the most well-known by lay Christians.) The Israelites weren’t monotheists until MUCH later, with the writing of the scripture “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.” Isaiah 44:6.  Isaiah was written around 600 BC; prior to that, going back over three centuries to around 950 BC, the Israelites were as pagan as every other culture in the area.

      If you want to believe that your god is the one true god, that’s fine, but to say that the Israelites weren’t pagans is absolutely incorrect, and you do your own religious history a disservice by saying so. The most accurate description would be “pagan prior to approx. 600 BC, and monotheist after approx. 600 BC”.

      You will probably reject this information because it offends you. But if this is the case, ask yourself why? Even if you believe that Yahweh is the one true god, the evidence shows that the Israelites took a little while to figure that out, and one could hardly expect differently of them, as they lived in a land where even the *idea* of monotheism simply hadn’t been invented yet. This is the history of your religion. If it is as important to you as you say it is, you should have no issue with learning it.

      • Suzanne Bailey August 24, 2011 at 10:19 am - Reply

        My reference for my previous post is “A History of God” by Karen Armstrong. The Youtube user Evid3nc3 presents a very good (if dizzyingly fast-paced) video summary of it here:

      • Jew4Jesus September 18, 2011 at 3:23 am - Reply

        Haha, you seem so educated. Too bad you stopped halfway through, isn’t it convenient to stop when you find the facts to help your argument, instead of furthering your knowledge?

        It is so wonderful! My favorite part of your argument was when you chose to ignore the accepted definition of Pagan! That was a hoot! Who cares that Pagan is defined as pertaining to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim. Oh, I forgot the Israelite society was clearly not Jewish, they were so obviously Wican.

        There was another great part I really liked though. It was your rendition of history. It was great! So true, everybody knows that Hinduism never contained monotheistic sects as early as 3500 BC, Deism, Monism, Pantheism, they were all just made up. The Vimana of course never existed either!

        One thing that of course disappointed me… You forgot to tell everyone that The Holocaust was a lie… How are they suppose to know if we don’t spread the word?

        • Guest November 15, 2011 at 6:38 pm - Reply

          while techniclly incorrect as mentioned (pagan refers to not following the mainstream religious beliefs of the times) the facts, and idea presented are valid. All Suzanne is trying to say is that the isrealites were polytheistic up until a given point. (Making no mention of the other religions or cultures which you pulled out of thin air?)

          As for Elizabeth, if you cannot have a valid argument, please leave. All I have seen from you is falsifications. You keep saying things like “Are you saying [insert statement they were NOT saying here]”

          for example:
          “are u saying people who dont believe are pagans?”
          NEVER was this said, she was referring to pagan as worshipping gods other than the one true god (though they worshipped him as well)

      • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:52 pm - Reply

        already found a lie in your 1st sentence the isrialities were not pagan people who worshipped the devil started that one up.God doesn’t choose anybody cept who he wants and that is not anybody who worships somebody else.

        • Guest June 24, 2012 at 4:02 pm - Reply

          You have issues :( And I’d hate to be a grammar nazi but you’re really starting to come off in a very negative light.

      • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:53 pm - Reply

        and by you saying anybody who says their not is incorrect is a lie to

      • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:55 pm - Reply

        are u saying people who dont believe are pagans? that is the impression i got not to mention how can u sit there and put your interpretations into it saying even the 1st commandment clearly demostrates a pagan view when that is your interpretation? this is the problem with religions instead of following the bible we spend too much time picking out what we dont like and making up different religions.Sometimes i dislike people

    • f**kyou August 25, 2011 at 2:01 am - Reply

      WOW, if you look at the definition of israelite, you will see somewhere on the list that the israelites were the original chosen people of the one true god. So if you’re a christian you are, by default, an Israelite of the ‘great diaspora’. the new testament is like the light beer of scripture, somehow by chance the “virgin” mary gave birth to jesus, the only way they knew he was special was because a few foreigners told them that he was the son of god; not god himself OR an agent of heaven. If you look at religion (organized or not) you’ll find that modern christianity is among the least demanding institutions in existance (do whatever you want, as long as you repent). oh and no shaving/cutting of hair was so they could tell themselves from the pagans?? hmm okay…Babylon: almost every carving of a male figure is bearing a beard and long hair. Syria: beards and hair. Greece: beards and hair. 3/4ths of the mediterranean…BEARDS AND LONG HAIR. And I say 3/4ths because in ancient Egypt it was viewed as unsanitary to keep a head and face full of hair, since lice were prevalent in the area. I swear, so many people I’ve met who consider themselves “Christians” have only oriented their world perspectives off of the new testament.
      shit that their parents and priests fill heads with from a young age, so that it isnt questioned, but used as a giant vague circus net that catches everything that humans cant figure out for themselves…

    • Childmilestar34 September 12, 2011 at 11:08 am - Reply

      you’re right. christians not only don’t follow the old testament, they burn copies of it in protest of the jewish menace. please get off the web and go fuck your bible some more

    • BroDudeGuy September 12, 2011 at 3:58 pm - Reply

      How does apply to only a certain group of people who follow the bible and not another? The old testament is still also apart of christian and catholic faith is it not? Not like the new testament came out and they said “Yeah fuck that old thing we’re just gonna go by this new one.” 

    • random September 13, 2011 at 12:28 pm - Reply

      Either the bible is wholly a source of morality or it is not. If the old testament was not important or didn’t apply to christianity it wouldn’t have been included in the bible

      Get your facts straight before you defend a religion, person. 

    • Asdf September 13, 2011 at 5:27 pm - Reply

      How about fuck you?

    • John Schwartz September 13, 2011 at 5:41 pm - Reply

      Right, the old testament doesn’t count, Thank GAWD. So many rules!  

    • bananaspy September 15, 2011 at 2:30 pm - Reply

      I hear that argument a lot, but Jesus very specifically says “For truly, I say to you,
      till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until
      all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these
      commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;
      but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of
      heaven.”Jesus never once says anything about abolishing laws of the Old Testament.

      • LadyGrace October 7, 2011 at 6:03 pm - Reply

        1.      Actually… NOTE VERSE 15!  Ephesians 2:14-16 : 14 For he himself
        is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the
        dividing wall of hostility, 15 by abolishing
        in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to
        create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in this
        one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to
        death their hostility. 

    • Ana September 16, 2011 at 2:01 am - Reply

      if youre offended, why did you put a winky face? grow up.

    • Guest September 19, 2011 at 10:20 am - Reply

      The word facts and the word bible don’t go together

    • Alex September 19, 2011 at 12:01 pm - Reply

      Actually, most Christians follow the old testament anyway. Nice try though.

    • Harper Weston Hyer September 20, 2011 at 1:34 pm - Reply

      Do you realize it was just stating facts? Last I checked, The Old Testament was the first Bible. Get your facts straight before you sound like an asshole, asshole. ;)

      btw… Pagan*

    • musettethewidowmaker September 22, 2011 at 6:30 am - Reply

      Christianity stemmed from paganism. The bible was written over hundreds of years by MEN claiming that God spoke to them. Wonder what they were smoking back then.

      • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 7:58 pm - Reply

        ur obviously a athiest why be so afraid of God just confess your sins and you will be fine.where may i ask that your information came that christianity stemmed from paganism? it’s kinda hard to stem christianity from a devil worshipper which is paganism and their the ones who made it up.Wonder what your answer will be to God on judgement day.

        • Guest November 15, 2011 at 6:42 pm - Reply

          Pagans were seen to worship devils only because the other religions were intolerant of sects with their own gods. If one of thee gods were to become mainstream and gain many worshippers, it could very easily result in a religion such as catholicism. (Although I will not argue that such a thing did or did not occur)

        • Tim January 26, 2012 at 8:10 pm - Reply

          god is not real :)

        • Guest June 24, 2012 at 4:18 pm - Reply

          Pagan’s don’t worship the devil, crazy pants. I’m very proud of you for sticking up for your religion, but you’re getting mad at others for supposedly stating false things about your religion, but you’re being hypocritical by turning around and doing the same exact thing. As I said, I commend you. However, in order for you to have a valid argument you must have solid facts which you do not. Then again, I don’t blame you. Many people have the wrong idea about Paganism. People who believe in this “religion” don’t even qualify it as that. Paganism is interpreted a million different ways. Christianity did in fact branch off of this as Paganism isn’t anything specific. It’s a general term used to define and describe other religions such as polytheism, shamanism and so on. Here you go:

          Now, do some research, just like most people on this site need to do, no matter what faith you have, and come back with something valid. I don’t mean to pick on you but you’re one of the least educated on this site. How can you validate your own religion without studying others first? Which is exactly why I have no religion and am still doing my research:D Peace and Love:)

    • A_hutch October 6, 2011 at 7:55 pm - Reply

      Religion is bullshit, get mind straight before your lifes wasted living how a made up man wants you to live it before before you die. :) *REtard voice* PEOPLE… Uhhhnnnggg

      • charley October 27, 2011 at 8:11 pm - Reply

        what a delightful demonstration of the language! i have always found near incoherence to add substance to any debate. bravo!

    • Fuckurmother October 19, 2011 at 6:05 pm - Reply

      and your fag. 

    • Elizabeth Shrack November 6, 2011 at 6:59 pm - Reply

      i think i heard something about that

    • Concerned Civilian November 17, 2011 at 4:57 pm - Reply

      I dont understand, how was he not getting his facts straight? The bible bans “X”; he didn’t say it was directed at anyone. If you’re going to get your facts straight, understand that the bible condones of sex, slavery, and murder.

    • Zoomhoody November 20, 2011 at 11:18 am - Reply

      So how come christians, especially bible bashing US evangelicals like the old testament so much whilst insisting that the whole bible is “god’s word”. You can’t have your cake and eat it.

      Oh, and it’s “pagan” btw. “Paegan” is defined by Urban Dictionary as “1. An attractive female. 2. A girl you wouldn’t expect to find in a cheap nightclub. 3. Someone with gonorrhea.”

      • guest November 24, 2011 at 3:32 am - Reply

        Pagan referring back to when there where more polytheistic (polytheism is what pagan is talking about) religions in the middle east than monotheistic religions. That is what it was referring too, but also…I am “Christian” if you have to classify it but more so religious. I also believe, (could be wrong) that the old testament was before the son of God died for the sins of people. And when that happened the new testament is what came into play after that event. This is what I was taught, others will interpret it in other ways. Me saying that all atheists are moral-less a-holes is like saying all Christians are opinion shoving snobs and all Muslims are radicals….not true. Soooo open your eyes and try not to stereotype :) thanks

        • Dodgedude November 28, 2011 at 9:28 pm - Reply

          I have no religions. Only that of ying-yang and Karma.
          But I must say, that is the best damn reply I have ever seen in the “religion” debate

        • Guest June 24, 2012 at 3:55 pm - Reply

          Marry me? You awesome open-minded person of awesomeness!

    • Stinsaur November 26, 2011 at 11:04 pm - Reply

      Does it matter?

    • Soltnerj November 28, 2011 at 9:42 pm - Reply

      really? because when i pulled out the old bible it said no such thing as “and exclusively for the Israelites” 

      & its not mocking a religion, he just stated actually biblical text.
      you should probably stop being a dumbass before you post something (;

    • BigFat Mess December 4, 2011 at 7:03 pm - Reply

      I totally agree howdybre. Most people are totally ignorant to how RELIGION REALLY WORKS… And u spelt P A G A N wrong… fyi.. (“,)

      • Lhklyce December 6, 2011 at 9:55 am - Reply

        You spelled S P E L L E D wrong!  Ha Ha

        • Ravenshaw December 7, 2011 at 1:25 am - Reply

          You spelled Ha wron…. Damn. Can’t find any problems.

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        • fjaskf December 11, 2011 at 8:24 pm - Reply

          you can use spelt too, dumb ass

    • FUCK JESUS December 9, 2011 at 7:14 pm - Reply

      religion is the cause of most of the words conflicts, its also base on an un-proven book about a magical dude…..its like believing in harry potter 2 thousand years from now, and ps dinosaurs exist. psps on the last page of the bible it tells you its sinful to preach the bible. from my point of view you look retarded. Bunch of childish men, wrongly educated, with a large percentage of gay pedophile. Actually the vatican is part of the coverup :) CHEARS, douche bag 

    • Brettzeee07 January 10, 2012 at 8:28 pm - Reply

      Your an idiot christians decided what they wanted to follow like not have sex before marriage but decided somethings are as important you get your facts straight IDIOTTTT

    • Slimfast290 February 13, 2012 at 11:59 am - Reply

      U MAD BRO?

  7. Seemenow234 July 15, 2011 at 2:27 pm - Reply

    Those who put faith in Christ are not subject to the laws of the old testament. A new covenant was made when Jesus died, so that we are redeemed by faith in him, no longer by law

    • Paul O'Flaherty July 16, 2011 at 9:35 pm - Reply

      You might want to share that info with other Christians then… they don’t appear to understand!

      • Kuma N July 19, 2011 at 1:08 am - Reply

        That’s just the shit of it though. There are just as many dumb Christians as any other group of people, and we get the flack for it XD

        • Ash July 25, 2011 at 3:12 pm - Reply

          Only certain people are misinformed when it comes to the bible. It depends on your own personal study and the church study of the bible. Many people, which is very saddening, believe that Westboro Baptist Church is dead on when it comes to the bible. When in fact the bible specifically states to LOVE those who sin for we are all sinners. I can honestly say that i wish that church would burn to the ground because its Christians like them who make MY life hard to witness to people. So really it depends on the person and their religion.

    • Cyfrin10 July 20, 2011 at 7:39 am - Reply

      All praise to the Jewish Zombie Lord

      • Paranormallity July 20, 2011 at 11:26 am - Reply

        Fuck you, Jewish Zombie Lord!

        • Nate July 23, 2011 at 10:57 pm - Reply

          Lets take a vote…who would you rather be friends with…1. A person like crazy larry whose comments are all about hate, or 2. ejitsu who comes across as polite and reserve…take your pick

          • guest July 26, 2011 at 9:26 pm -

            neither? what does crazy larry being rude and crazy have to do with ejitsu? He’s polite but hypocritical and judgemental. He’s just also passive aggressive.

          • Fanny July 27, 2011 at 8:49 pm -

            Crazy Larry sounds like a fun guy. Ejitsu sounds crazier than Crazy Larry.

    • Ash July 25, 2011 at 1:13 am - Reply

      we still have to abide by the old testament laws just not to that full extent because the blood of Jesus Christ we are able to do that because before then they had to do sacrifices of animals crops and other valuable things. Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice by giving his life for selfish worthless people like us so we can not die in a pit of despair but live happily forever! 

      • Thosebrigteyess July 26, 2011 at 9:27 pm - Reply

        I’m not worthless…… :[

        • Ash July 27, 2011 at 3:21 am - Reply

          It was just figuratively. Everyone has a purpose. :D

  8. Tir_na_faer July 15, 2011 at 6:49 pm - Reply

    The one about you can’t have clothes made of two different textiles doesn’t mean two different types of cloth. It means that someone who loves GOD can’t marry someone who doesn’t love GOD. I thought everybody knew that…

    • cwolf20 July 26, 2011 at 8:44 am - Reply

      That is the definition of a stretch when it comes to apologetics.  Wow.

    • Fanny July 27, 2011 at 8:47 pm - Reply

      So when Genesis says that the world was made in 7 days, it really means that skippy boo holy macaroni chicken quarks and whistle linguini? Oh okay. I sooo get it now.

      • guest September 18, 2011 at 12:42 am - Reply

        that was the most stupid comment i have ever read

  9. PlasticBiddy July 16, 2011 at 3:15 pm - Reply

    Do you have a site called UnFollowing Mohammad?  

    • Paul O'Flaherty July 16, 2011 at 9:34 pm - Reply

      No, and we don’t need one. UFJ pokes fun at all religions, it’s an equal opportunity insulter…

      The title is “Poking fun at religion with really big stick” not poking fun at ONE religion :)

  10. Javnc July 16, 2011 at 4:39 pm - Reply

    O.K. that last one kinda makes sense.

  11. Dml July 16, 2011 at 5:42 pm - Reply

    also, most of these rules (which were for the jews) were annulled by god himself in the book of Acts, and many of these were for hygienic reasons, the children of Israel were exceptionally more healthy than their neighbors. As for Saturday football, the whole idea of the “day of rest” was simply to give people a break from work, not a strictly enforced do nothing at all day. 
    As for circumcision as odd as it is, God simply intended this to be a way to set His people apart from others of their time and to keep them from marrying pagan women. 
    next time study up sonny. Jesus was not an idiot.   

    • Paul O'Flaherty July 16, 2011 at 9:31 pm - Reply

      So you’re saying that God wrote the book of Acts? I thought the bible was written by men!

    • Harry Cunningham July 19, 2011 at 7:26 am - Reply

      “God intended…”, “God intended…”, “God intended…”. First prove god, then we’ll discuss what he intended.

  12. itshot July 16, 2011 at 7:27 pm - Reply

    If you had any balls you would poke fun at Islam and Muhammad. Now that would be edgy. Instead we end up with this old, tired tripe.

    • Paul O'Flaherty July 16, 2011 at 9:31 pm - Reply

      And you’ve just proved that you’d rather run your mouth than look around the site where you’ll find plenty of posts about Islam and other religions. UFJ pokes fun AT all religions.

    • Harry Cunningham July 19, 2011 at 7:25 am - Reply

      I do love it when Christians trot this one out. It’s like “We know what we believe is stupid, but look at what THEY believe!!”. Seriously, there are hundreds of places poking fun at Islam, this time we’re poking fun at a different ridiculous religion. Get used to it.

  13. Chester July 16, 2011 at 10:56 pm - Reply

    The last one should just be a general rule in life.

  14. Mike July 17, 2011 at 3:22 am - Reply

    Lol @ these comments. I think about 90% of the population truly does not have a problem with gay marriage, since this seems to be a hot topic in the comments section. I believe that the protesteters of gay marriage or simply trolls IRL. They’d probably protest anything that would give them the most miniscule amount of attention.

    • Mike July 17, 2011 at 3:24 am - Reply


  15. Dan Jacobs531 July 17, 2011 at 12:30 pm - Reply

    I don’t know why you are posting this as if those things are obviously ridiculous.  Many people still follow these rules.  They’re called Jews.

    • Dan Jacobs531 July 17, 2011 at 12:51 pm - Reply

      Also, he has it backwards.  Cotton and polyester are neutral materials and can be combined with anything.  The forbidden combination is wool and linen.

      • Stuey073189 July 18, 2011 at 9:32 pm - Reply

        some one needs to study the bible

      • Harry Cunningham August 5, 2011 at 10:32 am - Reply

        I’d be extremely surprised if polyester was mentioned in the bible…

    • Geoff Roberts July 18, 2011 at 4:42 am - Reply

      The ridiculous is still ridiculous whether people do it or not

      • Larry July 20, 2011 at 11:24 am - Reply

        The ridiculous is still ridiculous if the snozberries still taste like snozberries.

      • Dan Jacobs531 July 20, 2011 at 11:19 pm - Reply

        You may think it’s ridiculous, but if the point is that religious people are being contradictory, then it doesn’t work.

    • Meh July 27, 2011 at 6:56 am - Reply

      not ridiculous to those of us on the receiving end of Christian hatred

  16. Spench July 17, 2011 at 1:32 pm - Reply

    Some things science has taught us through the ages:

    Turning lead into gold is possible.
    Life sprung from rock.
    Existence accidentally fell out of nothing.
    We live under a dome, and the stars are small lights hung on the dome.
    The Earth is flat.

    • Jesus_smurf July 17, 2011 at 7:01 pm - Reply


    • resistance July 17, 2011 at 9:04 pm - Reply

      Be careful with what you call “science”, Spench.

    • guest July 18, 2011 at 3:33 am - Reply

      you truly are the stupidest person in this comment section. congratulations. thats a real accomplishment there. i think that the only excuse that would make this comment ok is that this is your first time ever having contact with the outside world and that you have no idea about the progression of knowledge…. 

    • Sega_Shaman July 18, 2011 at 7:51 pm - Reply

      And when science taught us the earth is not the center of the universe, the church informed us “lalala I can’t hear you!”. Religion teaches us that existence was magicked into itself out of an invisible sky man who was already there, he then needed a rib to make one more thing.

  17. guest July 17, 2011 at 2:46 pm - Reply

    old testment stuff, though.   doenst apply now that we have the new testament

  18. Animatedpalm July 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm - Reply

    Leviticus is Levitical law not for everyone

  19. ferricoxide July 17, 2011 at 5:53 pm - Reply

    Avoiding women on the rag is just plain smart.

    • Larry July 20, 2011 at 11:21 am - Reply

      Word, dog!

  20. Alicia Harlequinn Kravitz-Conn July 17, 2011 at 7:50 pm - Reply

    the last one is because bears can smell menstruation 

  21. Excitable One July 18, 2011 at 12:39 am - Reply

    And one of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the foremost of all?” Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ “The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” (NAS, Mark 12:28-31)

  22. WoodGas1 July 18, 2011 at 1:21 am - Reply

    I think a true Christian would follow the example of Jesus from the Christian myths, and try to be the best Jew that he could.

    And don’t be ripping off Dante, he’s the real good Shepard.

  23. guest July 18, 2011 at 3:29 am - Reply

    ive read the comments. i am in no way an expert in the bible and don’t claim anything of that nature so if you start trolling and calling me ignorant than you can go talk to a girl on her period. so theres the OT and the NT. the OT is apparently obsolete now that we have the NT. who decided to switch?

  24. Sam July 18, 2011 at 3:47 am - Reply

    Hey guys :D I DON’T CARE.. it’s funny learn to fucking laugh and move on with your lives

  25. Michael Eberle July 18, 2011 at 4:36 pm - Reply

    I like that last one. Sound like a good idea.

  26. Lastcallforlostsouls July 18, 2011 at 5:21 pm - Reply

    Lol. That is all.

  27. Squidnark July 18, 2011 at 11:12 pm - Reply

    not associating with women having their periods is not such a bad idea.  i used to wish i could send my ex somewhere else when she was on her period.

  28. Ricky July 19, 2011 at 12:55 am - Reply

     You forgot about Timothy 2:12
    I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet.

  29. Ivey Rhodes July 19, 2011 at 8:57 am - Reply

    I get tired of this ignorant argument. All the food laws posted above are said by God to be no longer in affect. The shaving/clothing stuff was for a different time period as outlined in the new testament. Jesus makes it clear what the sabbath is for and clears up that worship isn’t meant for one day of the week but for all of them. Duh, cursing is a sin. Duh, gossip is a sin. The associating with women on their periods is an exaggeration of the law. Really it has to do with touching the blood or sitting in a place after a woman sat there. That was before tampons.

    if this post is to legitimize homosexuality to Christians it isn’t going to work. Homosexuality’s mentioned multiple times the New testament too. This argument irritates me and is ignorant people preying on the ignorant.

    • Kyle Jackson July 19, 2011 at 9:36 am - Reply

      Okay Charlie Sheen, enough with the “Duh”.  I bet your sermons are riveting, Mr. Assistant Pastor.

      • Ivey Rhodes July 19, 2011 at 10:04 am - Reply

        I don’t know if I’d say my sermons are “Riveting” but you can listen to one here

      • Ivey Rhodes July 20, 2011 at 8:44 am - Reply

        I responded to your comment, but I put a link in yesterday to a sermon of mine so you could judge for yourself. I guess the moderator wouldn’t allow it. I only said, I don’t know if my sermons are riveting, but you could listen for yourself. Maybe another day and another time.

        • Paul O'Flaherty July 20, 2011 at 9:02 am - Reply

          No, the moderator did allow it.. we don’t stop people from voicing their opinion as long as they’re not being trollish or deliberately hateful. 

          Your comment was flagged by the comment system . I have cleared it.

          • Ivey Rhodes July 20, 2011 at 9:11 am -

            Thank you Paul.

    • Cyfrin10 July 20, 2011 at 8:03 am - Reply

      When I see such silly people as this expect to be taken seriously and being taken seriously, thank I am so happy that I am NOT American and that we in Europe do not have these il informed and ill educated proselytising christian taliban.

      If this is the way that the American people want their country to go, then the only way is down.

      • Ivey Rhodes July 20, 2011 at 8:41 am - Reply

        Quite a judgmental attitude you have there.

  30. Ileya1011 July 19, 2011 at 9:48 am - Reply

    If any one wants the “truth” stop reading the bible and taking it literally. It is a tool much likepir history books and theology books today. The best way to get the real information you seek is meditation. Jesus did it as did many other “pegan” or. Hindu religions even Moses and Adam meditated to hear God’s true words. Some some edited bullshit made by man & then reedited by some King. Please peoplelisten to your heart and soul. That’s y God gave them to you. To weed out the crap and to find nd know the truth!

  31. Sixworldfairs July 19, 2011 at 2:15 pm - Reply

    Call me a sinner, send me to Hell.

  32. Sixworldfairs July 19, 2011 at 2:17 pm - Reply

    It’s also part of the Talmud.

  33. ejitsu July 19, 2011 at 3:53 pm - Reply

    This is interesting…Let me set the scene…I have never posted before, but the confusion and the shots fired back and forth frustrate me so here I go…I am a Christian…I Love, Believe, and Follow to the best of my ability Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior…I have read many, but not all of the comments and found a few different issues:

    1. Old Testament v. New Testament
    2. Gay Marriage
    3. Religion v. Atheism

    1. Both the Old Testament and the New Testament are valid and important.  The lessons and guidance that are found in the Old Testament show us a history of God’s people.  They show the laws that were established during the time of Moses (hence being called the Mosaic Law).  The describe the hardships that God’s people faced and the ways that God delivered His people time and time again.  It also provided evidence of the flaws of the people that God used.  This was to show us that even with our flaws, God loves us and can save us.

    The New Testament is an extension of this idea.  Christ has come and says I am here to right the ship if you will.  Christ does not spend much time with the rules.  He does say that as long as man is on earth man will have laws, He also directs us to follow the laws of government (even “bad” government like the oppressing Romans at the time).  What Christ does spend time on is Faith.  Faith in Christ is the way.  That is what Christ asked, He said the He is the Way the Truth and the Life.  In fact it was the leaders of the organized religion that Christ was speaking out against because of the loss of common sense over the black letter of the law.  Christ said in Romans (paraphrase) “if you can eat pork, and still worship me, then eat pork.  But if someone cannot eat pork and worship me, then don’t eat pork in front of them.”  Christ isn’t worried about clean or dirty pork, he is worried about where your heart is.

    2. Gay Marriage is such a difficult subject.  First without hesitation, I do believe homosexuality is a sin.  But before I get pelted as a homophobic person or a judgmental person, read on please.  Homosexuality does not make a person a bad or evil person, but it is sinful.  Christ came to cleanse all sins, homosexuality not excluded.  It may seem harsh or inappropriate but I would consider a homosexual a person making a sinful choice in the same vein as dunkeness, adultery, lying, or even murder.  Christ did not place one sin above or below another.  Christ is perfect and cannot be in the presence of darkness and came to this Earth to cleanse it all.  I can assure you that there are plenty of sins that bear my name that Christ paid atonement on my behalf.  I am no better than anyone else on God’s green Earth.

    3. Religion v. Atheism.  Simply put Religion is the tradition of people expressing their Faith.  Atheism is the belief or lack of belief I guess of a higher power or being.  I am not a fan of religion, if you look in the Gospel (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) Jesus is speaking against some of the rigid stance that religion had at the time and still has to this day.

    I don’t have much to say on Atheism that does not come across as rude and pointed in print, I think this topic is meant for a verbal conversation.  Do know that I respect the views of any one that differs from mine including atheists.  Remember Christ said each of us must choose, no one can choose for anyone else.

    Thanks to anyone who read this.

    • Guest July 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm - Reply

      First off, I only read the part on gay marriage. The other stuff you wrote was too long, so I didn’t read it. [A.K.A. TL;DR].

      And yes, you ARE homophobic and judgmental. What someone does in bed is none of your business. It doesn’t affect you in any way. And comparing homosexuality to murder is just fucking ridiculous. That’s like comparing breathing to murder.

      In fact, homosexuality is found in many other species, ranging from 500 – 1,500. You are discriminating against many kinds of creatures.

      It’s people like you who make life so hard for people who can’t control what they are being told is a sin. And when people like you exist, they turn to extreme measures and go on to create things like the Westboro Baptist Church.

      Of course you deserve your own opinion, but to discriminate on people who have done nothing to you, absolutely nothing, is just wrong.

      • ejitsu July 19, 2011 at 10:02 pm - Reply

        I’m sorry I offended you, but you missed my point. It is not my place to judge. I am not even of the opinion that if a homosexual person dies they automatically go to hell. It’s quite the opposite. I feel that homosexuals, just like heterosexuals are a part of a much larger family. There should not be judgment between us, for judgment is for God to decide. I have friends who have chosen a homosexual lifestyle, and I love them anyway. On a spiritual level I do believe it to be wrong, and a sin, but not to the extent that I think all should be thrown into the bowels of hell.

        Again, I mean not to offend, but rather describe the vantage point from which my views come from. Further, it would be nice if I was met with the same respect I offer you. No need for such language, just a thought.


        • Alternategs July 19, 2011 at 11:38 pm - Reply

          You are the kind of person that religous people need, polite and unresponsive to aggression. (Im nonreligious btw)

          • ejitsu July 20, 2011 at 2:33 am -

            Thank you. I try to be non “religious” too. Jesus wasn’t about religion, He was about Love. I don’t hold a faithful following of any particular religion, rather I try to emulate Jesus Christ.

          • Cyfrin10 July 20, 2011 at 7:59 am -

            He was about cheap conjuring tricks, saying nothing useful and violence – or are his remarks about swords and armed guards at Gethsemane to be ignored?

          • Fanny July 27, 2011 at 8:24 pm -

            I wish Christians were smarter than this. But if they were they’d be Atheists/Pantheists. Do you think it’s a coincedence that Albert Einstein was a Pantheist? No, he was a genius, it is an insult to him and to all of the people who’ve helped advance science to STILL believe in religion anymore. It’s backwards and it’s sad that you actually believe in Jesus and the Christian God. Did you know that if you research the time to which the Bible was made and the time which Jesus died… 30 years, everyone FORGOT about Jesus. His teachings didn’t stick, no one was suddenly Christian. How can 30 years later produce accurate information about Jesus’s story? And in fact, if you read several other stories that predate Jesus, like Hercules, Buddha, Krishna, Odysseus, Romulus, Dionysus, Horus and many others, do you think it’s just “coincedence” that they are similar? I’m sad for you and I wish you would educate yourself. Read Richard Dawkins’ “The God Delusion.” It is a great read and it is meant to help people like you realize your indoctrination has corrupted your life and your ability to think for yourself. If you don’t care to learn about Atheism, I feel very sorry for you. You won’t be disappointed with the prospect of no God. It’s actually the most wonderful thing I can think of, to know there isn’t a constant surveillance in the sky, reading your every thought and punishing you for being yourself. You’ll love life more without religion, trust me!

          • John Rodriguez August 6, 2011 at 5:10 am -

            Jesus has brought forth a sword, living fire! I suggest you pick up that sword and defend yourself prior to becoming consumed. 

          • Tragicsandwich August 23, 2011 at 12:47 am -

            But homosexuals are comparable to murderers?  That sounds very loving.

        • Tamugetsu July 31, 2011 at 11:48 pm - Reply

          I would like to point out one little detail:

          Homosexuality is not a choice. I did not choose to be in love with my (straight) roommate rather than my (head-over-heels for me, beautiful, person-I-would-never-want-to-hurt-in-a-million-years) then-girlfriend, I did not choose to be hated by those who DO believe I will go straight to hell when I die, and I did not choose to have fewer rights than straight people in a country where people are supposed to all be treated as equals. I did not “choose” a “lifestyle”, I haven’t even kissed another guy yet – but if you think that waving an ancient book at me is going to stop me from doing so, you are wrong.
          I fall in love with guys. I am attracted to guys. I didn’t wake up one day and decide to be alienated from society, have a much harder time getting a date, and risk being the target of violence if I flirt with the wrong person! I didn’t decide that it would be fun to be discriminated against, have my rights taken away, and regularly called a bad influence and a threat on TV by people who have a decent chance of becoming the leader of the USA in coming years. I didn’t choose to be gay. I am gay. That’s it – and I would like it very much if you did not call my emotions a “lifestyle”.

          If I offended you or was disrespectful, I apologize, I did not mean to insult. I simply want you to understand the truth on this matter, so that you do not offend any more LGBT individuals by trivializing our identities. We didn’t choose this – this is who we are. Keep in mind that the idea of homosexuality as a “lifestyle” (and thus, something that is chosen) is the basis for essentially all anti-gay rhetoric, discrimination, and legislation. It is also not true, and to hear it repeated is quite distressing to LGBT individuals such as myself, as we know what inevitably follows the idea that we “chose” this. Again, I hope that I did not show you disrespect, and I hope that you now understand that being gay is not a “lifestyle choice”.

          Thank you, and I hope you have a lovely day.

          • John Rodriguez August 6, 2011 at 5:18 am -

            Neither is being a pedophile or sexual predator, these people also didn’t chose this “lifestyle” they are afflicted with the disease of Sexual Deviance n need help, just like you my friend, get yourself some help and stop wondering why u have such a hard time fitting in with normal society. 

          • Vaticus August 8, 2011 at 8:09 pm -

            Wow, you just equated gays and lesbians to pedophiles and sexual predators.  You’re a fucking idiot.  Homosexuality is not a Deviance, you moron.  Why should anyone be expected to control who they do and do not love, who they decide to give their hearts to?  To do so, would be to take away will power, which apparently, is one of our gifts from God.  So, basically at some point, God said the following, (not verbatim) “I have an idea.  I’m going to give humans will power.  But wait, wait, wait.  Before you angels go getting all butt hurt about the privilege, I am going to make it so my followers castigate and ostracize any one who doesn’t use that will power to believe in me, and what some humans will eventually write, claiming it was my Word.  Better?  Good.”

            You’re a moron, and I only hope you get beaten to death by a bunch of Gay and Lesbian bikers for espousing your horseshit to the world.

          • Bman September 19, 2011 at 9:15 pm -

            I believe I was born an alcoholic. Alcoholism has been in my family for many generations. I believe drinking to excess is a sin. I was born this way but does this mean it is okay for me to act on my desire to drink? Some of us have harder time on this earth. But thank God one day  we will not have to fight the battle any longer if we just believe in Jesus Christ.

          • charley October 27, 2011 at 8:38 pm -

            amen brother! i tried all the world’s ways of breaking the bondage of alcoholism, but none worked for me. giving my life to Christ was the way; all desire is GONE. alcohol destroyed my life and the lives of all around me, and that my friends, is sin. i am at peace now with myself, my family, and my God. i just cannot understand the depth of anger and hate professed towards Christ as evidenced in the comments here…

      • Nate July 23, 2011 at 10:51 pm - Reply

        How was his (ejitsu) argument anywhere close to comparing breathing to murder? Those two aren’t even in the same boat…

      • Ash July 25, 2011 at 3:42 pm - Reply

        I have to be on Ejitsu’s side. I am a firm believe in what this person says. I have many friends who are Gay, Bi, and Lesbian. I love them dearly and they know i love them dearly. However; they do know I think they are living a sinful life. I refuse to say to them YOU ARE GOING TO HELL because who is to say that I won’t be going to hell? I sin everyday both on purpose and not on purpose. It does say in the bible that no man should lay with another man and its the same for women as well. 

        I can honestly say that I HATE, yes HATE, Westboro Baptist Church. Their morals are wrong and very hurtful. God sent Jesus to us and Jesus taught us to Love each other. There was once a guy in my Christian club at school who was President of the club who had told me that I was going to go to hell just because I wore a dress that was a little on the short side and for wearing tight clothing. Eventually he just got so out of control that we had to make a decision for him to leave. It people like them that make my life hard as a Christian.

        As for the same sin thing to God all sin is the same. I know that to us humans we think that something are worse to us but that’s our nature. If you really think about it a man cheating on his wife is like murdering her. I have never been married but I know whose spouses have cheated on them and they just feel dead inside. They say stuff like well if only I was pretty enough or if only I was more of what that other woman looked like. Hurting other people is a form of killing them so is lying. My best friend has been lying to me for a while now and when she told me I felt dead because this was the girl I told everything to. Now how can I trust her?
        You have a right to your own opinion because this is america and every person who is a citizen has the right to freedom of speech. I just wanted to give my personal opinion and hopefully clarify some issues. :) 

        • lovenothate July 26, 2011 at 9:12 pm - Reply

          How can you really think you’re homosexual friends can take your love sincerely if you tell them you thoroughly cannot accept them for who they are. That’s like “Yo I those fucking niggers are tearing apart this town, but I’m not racist, my best friend is black.”

          • Ash July 26, 2011 at 9:59 pm -

            That has nothing to do with what I said. I simply live by LOVE the sinner HATE the sin. Homosexuality is a sin it says it in the bible. So is lying, cheating, stealing, murder, adultery, slander, gossiping, swearing, ect… I sin everyday too. I just confessed that. I am not perfect nor do i claim to BE perfect because I’m not. I swear, I lie, I sometimes dress inappropriately, I spread rumors, I talk about people behind their backs, I am quick to anger, I hurt people ect… The only difference is that I am aware of it and every time I do it I ask God to forgive me they don’t. Life will be hard for them and I can’t really help them because of their sin. they have to help themselves but they know I will always be there for them when they need to talk. I don’t treat them any different than my christian friends. 

          • Tha Lord July 26, 2011 at 11:47 pm -

            Life is hard for homosexuals because religious people make it that way for them.  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone…

            But also, let me turn the tables on you.  You’re a bigot undeserving of the people you call “friends”.  You’re a hypocrite who preaches morality and doesn’t live it.  You take your religion as absolute truth, but it’s nothing more than the myths perpetuated locally by your friends and family.  You probably haven’t investigated the claims of your religion, you take whatever scripture you feel is appropriate and acceptable to your inner circle a la carte.  You’re the type of fascist that is undeserving of the doctrine of “love thine enemy”.  You make society less livable for any thinking person who cares about others in a genuine fashion.   

            Perhaps now you know what it is like for the people you persecute.  We don’t hate the Christian, only the stupidity and immorality of their preachments.

          • Fanny July 27, 2011 at 8:08 pm -

            You say you HATE the Westboro Baptist Church.. At least those are REAL Christians. You shouldn’t even call yourself a Christian. The Westboro Baptist Church are Bible followers. They don’t go as far as killing anyone, but they don’t “misinterpret” the Bible like you damn “Modern/Liberal Christians.” You are the most annoying type of Christian. If you don’t follow most of what the Bible says, why follow ANY of it? The Bible is full of horrible, very immoral things, murder, abortion, infanticide, rape.. Just sick sick things. You know this. And yet you still consider yourself Christian because you believe in “God.” The God of the Bible is the most jealous, hateful, cruel monster ever written about in fiction. And if you don’t believe me, just READ the damn thing. It’s the closest way to becoming an Atheist. Ever since I realized I was Atheist, I’ve been SOOO happy. My life is enriched knowing there is no God. I love my life and I don’t need religion to have morals. Morals are a Darwinian trait passed on through Evolution. Chimps and apes realized that their greatest way to survive was to help others, take care of their young and protect each other. This trait evolved in us to a conscience. It’s so simple and obvious, the Bible is sooo unnecessary.

          • lovenothate July 27, 2011 at 11:22 pm -

            So dp you believe gay marriage should be legalized, as long as they ask forgiveness for it?

          • Ash July 28, 2011 at 1:43 am -

            @d1292609f2e3a3e5e7504da0a00e1902:disqus I am not even going to waste my time arguing about Westboro. They are an evil church that hurts THOUSANDS of people. I will never see my church go picket a funeral of a gay serviceman, or threaten to go to a state and picket a little girl! My HOMETOWN that little girl was a GREAT person from what I have read and what my church did was save money up to send to her family and the other families of the victims. TRUE Christian are supposed to love a person no matter what THAT is what Jesus taught. Maybe you should read the bible again before you go and start saying absurd things like that. 

          • Ash July 28, 2011 at 1:44 am -

            @1778ce3efd1dd91a06300c6a36d03450:disqus Sorry if this offends you but no. It is a sin whether they are married or not. 

          • Ash July 28, 2011 at 1:45 am -

            @facebook-100002299640596:disqus You say I am a bigot but you have no idea who I am! All you know is that I am follower of Jesus Christ which makes you not like me. Have you not been reading what I have said? I don’t persecute anyone! I just pointed out all of my flaws all of my personal daily sins and yet you sit there telling me that I am a false teacher? Now who is judging who? I am one of the most unselfish person anyone can meet. I graduated High School and yet I still go back and help my teachers move out of their class rooms because they got FIRED or help the janitorial staff clean or help organize music. I wasn’t even a stage manager of musical we did and yet I was there everyday making sure everything got done and cleaned. I am ALWAYS giving my time and energy to people when they need me. As for my family they aren’t even Christian as a matter of fact they abused me physically, mentally and sexually and they even kicked me out of my own home in my senior year but yet I STILL love them. That’s right I don’t hate my family at all I LOVE them you know why? Because God’s word tells me to!  I AM NOT PERFECT!! I falter and mess up because that’s how humans are. I will always falter until I die. I have been addicted to weed and alcohol, I have cut myself because I felt worthless, I can barely be in the same room alone with a man because of what you dad has done to me, I KNOW what it is like to lose a friend to both suicide and ATTEMPTED suicide. We preach because we KNOW what its like to be in a pit and not knowing how to get out. We KNOW what is like to feel like a total screw up NOT to condemn people because THAT is not my job that is God’s job! My Job is to let the lost know what God’s word says and what God’s love is. Just because I am a Christian doesn’t mean I don’t know how hard life is.

          • Tamugetsu July 31, 2011 at 11:14 pm -

            They don’t ask God to forgive them for loving the people they love for one simple reason:

            They don’t need to.

            If there is a benevolent God out there, he doesn’t care whether you love a man or a woman. He has more important things to worry about. Being in love with a guy doesn’t hurt anyone, so please stop treating it like it’s the same as doing bad things. Do you know what gay people would have to do to not be gay? THEY WOULD HAVE TO LIE. They would have to pretend to be something that they are not, which in your eyes is akin to murder. What benevolent God would give gay people the choice between two lives of constant sin?

            The only reasonable answer, if we assume that there is a benevolent God, (not my viewpoint at all, but I’ll pretend) that sexuality cannot be changed, even by appealing to said God (there is overwhelming evidence that this is true) and that this God is not a total jerk who condemns an entire group to either hell or celibacy, is that either lying is not a sin or homosexuality is not a sin.
            Lying can ruin relationships, condemn the innocent and acquit the guilty. You yourself said that it made you feel dead inside when your friend lied to you.
            Homosexuality has all the same ups and downs as heterosexuality, which we don’t consider a sin. The only real difference is that it’s harder to find a date if you’re gay, because so many people are straight.

            Which of those two do YOU think is morally wrong? Why would it be OK for a man to love a woman, but wrong for a woman to do the same thing?

          • james August 2, 2011 at 1:34 am -

            that is the most ignorant comment i have seen on here so far! i can love someone and not agree with a choice they make! your just trying to make ash look like a biggit and hypocrite at the same time   

          • John Rodriguez August 6, 2011 at 5:37 am -

            bigot, its bigot. fyi lol

          • Ash August 7, 2011 at 2:14 am -

            James its ok. I know what I believe and it is difficult for a person who has no faith to understand and if they aren’t willing to listen then you can’t force it. The ending days are soon so we just have to stay strong and keep faith in God. The world will hate us because they hate Jesus Christ. Just stand for Jesus and nothing can go wrong :D

          • John Rodriguez August 6, 2011 at 5:36 am -

            Your best friend didn’t have a choice in being black or white, homos do have a choice, yet we r all sinners n love n associate with all sorts of other sinners regardless of hetero metro or homo. I sin with women, u sin with men.. is all the same, no judgement here, just wont tolerate lies n bs, I have a constant yearning for truth, hence I will not excuse my womanizing ways and acknowledge that this is not the most healthy way of interacting with women, I need to work on that. You my homo friends need to do the same, stop making excuses for your behavior, stop forcing society to accept and support your abomination, don’t force your behavior upon our churches and force them to accept your naughty ways. Stop requesting special rights, do I get special rights for being a womanizer?  don’t think so…..

        • Tamugetsu July 31, 2011 at 11:00 pm - Reply

          Why must you believe everything in the Bible? Even if a person is to believe in religion, why believe in every rule of an organized one? Printing out lots of books doesn’t make your religion more valid – any benevolent God would indicate which of the many religions of the world is the correct one. All major organized religions claim to be correct with no proof, so why choose any of them? You can believe in most of the things in the Bible (though I wouldn’t recommend that either) but you don’t need to believe all of them. Why should love be a sin? If homosexuality is a choice, why do your friends continue to choose it, despite it being so much harder to find a partner when you are gay? If it’s not a choice (Pro tip: It isn’t a choice)  then why would a benevolent God condemn it as sin? Also, if you believe all sin is equally bad, how could you believe that homosexuality is a sin? Love between two men or between two women is just as positive and healthy as love between a man and a woman – how do you believe that opposite-sex love is noble by default, but same-sex love is always just as bad as murder? That’s insulting.

          Think for yourself and don’t believe everything you’re told – people make mistakes, and people believe things that aren’t true sometimes. And understand that sexuality isn’t a choice – there will always be LGBT people, and regardless of how you feel about homosexuality personally, continued marginalization of LGBT people DOES lead to horrible things committed against us – even murder. In some countries, gay people are still put to death for their sexuality. That sounds really familiar… Oh! That’s because Leviticus says to do that. Why believe a book so cruel?

          • John Rodriguez August 6, 2011 at 5:58 am -

            In some countries they put pedophiles n sex predators to death too. Is that cruel? Pedophiles don’t chose to be obsessed with children yet they r, same for rapist, they don’t chose to be obsessed with dark desires yet they are. The same book states the same for adultery n fornication among opposite sexes also. Ever wonder why its much harder to find a partner when your gay? hmmmm, ur not the brightest apple on the tree huh? Try to stop lying to yourself for once, stop trying to justify your twisted circumstances, stop hating the bible because it calls out your sin, it calls out all of our sins for we are all sinners yet homos seem to be the last of all sinners to come to the bible. why is that? Is it because u cant accept the fact that u r a sinner n need help? or is it that you just cant stand to look at yourself in the mirror of life? We r all sinners n we all need help (spiritual guidance). Why do homos fail to see this? Why do homos stay so far from the church? The church condemns all our sins, why should yours be any more condemned? The lies you tell yourself is why you suffer, not society and not the church fyi. 

          • Tha Lord August 6, 2011 at 11:20 am -

            Put your Bible away, it has been reviewed and rejected.  I’ll put it up on the shelf next to ‘The Odyssey’, ‘The Upanishads’, and ‘Moby Dick’.  

          • Vaticus August 8, 2011 at 8:11 pm -

            Once again, you’re an idiot.  ‘Pedophiles and sexual predators have a disease!’  Moron.  It’s not a disease, it is a lack of self control.  You take the perversion of the mind that exists within those who can’t control themselves, and do whatever the hell they want, ruining the lives of others, and you put it down to a disease, thus trying to remove any and all guilt from those offending parties.  Wait.  Now it makes sense.  You’re a pedophile.  Surprised I didn’t see that earlier.

        • Chris August 9, 2011 at 9:56 pm - Reply

           sorry, but humans ARE a type of animal, albeit a very evolved one. And one of Animal’s first instincts? reproduce. if you ever watch a dog (yes i am comparing humans with dogs) it will NOT mate with a single dog and try to settle down. it will try to screw anything in sight, which is actually what some men do. it is not natural to say that a man can only love one woman, it is a taught concept. there is not “that someone” out there waiting for you. if you are compatible enough to someone, you will more often then not end up happy with them. but back to my point, that it is nigh on impossible for men not to look at women, even when married. but even if it is impossible, apparently its enough to buy you a ticket to hell

      • Jonathan Wilson July 30, 2011 at 7:06 pm - Reply

        ejitsu has a point and is not discriminating, how is he? Did he say they would go to hell? Did he say they were horrible humans? 
        No, he said he thought what they were doing was sinful, and if he believes that
        then so what, at the end he said he was better than no other, meaning he was not above gays, bi’s, or lesbians.
        merely that they lived a different lifestyle. and he also mentioned that Christ came to
        absolve ALL sins, homosexuality, alcoholism, drug addiction, and more. But only if they repent
        and give him your total love and faith. He was not discriminating any more than you do. And if you 
        say you dont then you are lying. EVERYONE discriminates, Humans, animals alike.
        If you dAn example of ont believe me, then tell me with an honest mind, do you eat old moldy food?
        Will you go kiss up and have sex with a random stranger male or female old or young(child)? would you just drop
        down and fall asleep where you land? if you answered no to any of these questions
        you discriminate. now let me explain, you throw out moldy food because it HAS mold,
        but wait you just made a choice based on a difference, that id discrimination. will you
        have sex with anyone, if no then you discriminate on who you are willing
        to go into a relationship with, you are choosing on who you want to be with.
        and if you like to sleep in bed or on a couch or chair, once again you are making a choice based on
        a physical difference. that is discrimination. NO not all discrimination is bad,
        in fact the bible says you must discriminate, you must choose, you must decide
        what you will do or not and why. which also means you must choose which parts you will
        follow. with an exception, love god with your faith and heart. that is the rule.
        an example of wrongful discrimination, would be “I dont like him because he is black
        or white.” a general statement that could mean anything, but if you say “I dont like that black/white man because of they way he is…” 
        that is an appropriate statement.
        So in conclusion, Discrimination is nature, you will always have it, but you dont need to over react.

        Also this was probably too long for you to read, so you just skipped and read all the capital words.

      • John Rodriguez August 6, 2011 at 5:01 am - Reply

        I guess you must be homosexual, is that why your an atheist? Is that the only faith where your accepted? …the one where you come from a monkey so its okay to “do as thou wilt”? Fact is Homo sex is against nature (Adam & Eve, not Adam n Steve) People who cant control what they are being told is sin are also those who r obsessed with children known as pedophiles, should we accept n support pedophiles now too? What about rapist? Those who cant resist the inclination to rape then murder to cover it up, they cant control what they are being told is sin either, guess we should support them too huh? Doubt it. Homosexuals r no different then pedophiles n sexual predators, they are afflicted with a horrible sickness n need to be rehabilitated or separated from society like the rest of sexual deviants. No, no desecration of natural marriage, no poor kids being adopted into sick twisted two Daddy living conditions, no more pretending its okay or accepted or you were born this way , no no no, no more bull crap please. A spade is a spade no matter how u twist it. Gays don’t deserve any special rights, Gays need treatment n should have SEXUAL DEVIANT posted on their id cards just like other sex offenders, especially now that they want to corrupt marriage beyond recognition. Truth shall set u free faggo, now go wipe the semen off your bung hole, that doesn’t go there silly rabbit! 

        • Tha Lord August 6, 2011 at 11:22 am - Reply

          People who treat other human beings like you do deserve to have “Sociopath” on their ID cards.  

        • I don't like idiots -_- August 23, 2011 at 4:09 am - Reply

          You are so ridiculously stupid. 1.Homosexuality is widely accepted in Buddhism. 2. Science says that YOU are the one with a mental defect. You seem to have narcissistic personality disorder. 3. You must lead a terrible life cuz karma must really screw you over a lot. 4. Who do you think you are that you feel the need to tell people how to live their lives?? You are nobody. If you stopped worrying about all the gay people in the world maybe you could work on your social skills and possibly go to a psychiatrist or maybe even to a doctor so they could see what they can do about the stick that is shoved so far up your ass. 

    • Cyfrin10 July 20, 2011 at 7:57 am - Reply

      What a load of rubbish, well argued if you accept some basics precepts as given, but invalid for the very same reason.  Sanctimonious and self justifying clap trap that has no place in a rational debate because of its fundamental irrationality.

      If you want me to believe that your f supernatural space pilot exists, prove it.  That onus is on you as teh one making the claim.

      • ejitsu July 20, 2011 at 12:51 pm - Reply

        I don’t understand your frustration.  I have a view.  It is that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.  I won’t shy away from what my beliefs are, but I also will not force them down your throat either.  You see, the choice to worship Jesus as Lord is for each individual to decide.  I will be fair and agree that most people who post on blogs about this subject are harsh and judgmental.  It is an unfortunate flaw of Man.  I feel that I am right, as do you, but I do not feel that I am the best or better than you are. 

        The beauty of the argument is that both sides rely heavily on faith to be right.  My faith is in a higher being, God.  Your faith is in science or lack of proof serving as proof.  Both require faith, and both views deserve the respect of the opposite side.

        What is crazier?  I believe in a man who came to the Earth to save my soul.  He died, rose from the grave, and ascended into heaven to prepare a place for me.

        You believe that one day an organism developed to the point of walking out of the water.  After time, evolution and adaptations occur and new species are born.  This process over many many years led us to the people we are today. 

        I respect this view.  There are holes that can be shot through both, and there is compelling stories, studies, and evidence for both. 

        I will not make fun, or belittle your opinion or view.  Its not my purpose.  I am simply here to offer a view that is based on what I believe. 

        And by the way, I actually felt that the picture that started this blog was really funny, its the posts that followed that compelled me to speak (just a disclaimer).

        • Guest July 20, 2011 at 10:28 pm - Reply

          “I have friends who have chosen a homosexual lifestyle, and I love them anyway.” 

          This is very incorrect. Sexuality is not a choice. People don’t choose to be gay, nor do they choose to be straight. It just happens. 

          • John Rodriguez August 6, 2011 at 6:48 am -

            …most gay men where molested as children, I guess that just happens too, most gay women will have sex with men occasionally so as to say most gays are actually bi, guess that just happens too. Or is the truth actually…. the fact that all sex feels good just some distort natural sex more than others such as swingers, gays, pedophiles and predators.  

          • Tha Lord August 6, 2011 at 11:31 am -

            Citation needed

        • cwolf20 July 26, 2011 at 8:42 am - Reply

          When did you choose to be straight?  Do you feel like you could have chosen any other way?

          This may be misinterpreted, but why would anyone ever choose to be gay?  All you would be doing is forcing yourself to be judged and discriminated against most of your life by anyone who follows pretty much any religion.  There are very few societal advantages to being gay.

        • Fanny July 27, 2011 at 8:42 pm - Reply

          YOU’RE AN IDIOT!!!!! I cannot believe you think believing in Science is faithful. You’re completely indoctrinated, and you should read a science textbook or something, seriously. You’re brainwashed. You wonder why people like me, Atheists, are so angry? Because it upsets us to hear human peoples in the 21st century turning to God and Jesus to explain everything when it has nothing to do with what is really out there. Science explains things, science is proven, and science is self-correcting. The Bible states things as fact, many things to which this day you and I both know are completely false.

          • John Rodriguez August 6, 2011 at 6:54 am -

            ur a pot calling the kettle black, Science comes from the great architect of the universe. To look at the universe’s design and not see a designer is the true definition of idiocy. The first Scientist on the face of the earth aka “Wise Men, Astronomers” were men of faith. As Science and technology develops it actually takes less n less faith to believe in an so obvious designer to what is obviously designed in our reality of existence.  

          • Tha Lord August 6, 2011 at 11:33 am -

            As Science develops, it takes more and more credulity to believe your holy book.  Old testament “wise” men thought the Earth was flat, Cosmos all rotated around the Earth.  They thought that bats were birds.  If the Bible gets anything right, it’s on accident.

        • John Rodriguez August 6, 2011 at 6:44 am - Reply

          Sorry, I find it hard to respect the Big Bang theory or the fact that it has been shoved down our throats without question for over a century now.

          • Detribus September 24, 2011 at 3:41 pm -

            I find it hard to respect religion, and that fact that it has been shoved down our throats with only the educated questioning it for thousands of years now.

          • Guest November 16, 2011 at 12:18 am -

            ======= Coles Notes =========
            – attacking science because you don’t understand it is bad
            – a god would not be vain, but judge people
            – god would not be against homosexuality, thats illogical fear
            – religion is important regardless of it’s veracity
            – restraint people, noone likes their beliefs questioned, and very few can look at another’s beliefs, objectively consider them, while not letting them effect your own belief.

            see below for reasoning:
            =======Scientific Arguement=================

            Speaking as an atheist, and someone who has read quite a bit on the big bang theory I also find it hard to believe, but the point of science is to question everything. Right now the big bang theory (theory; not law, axiom or theorum) is the best explanation that has been presented, so scientists teach it. Once we have a better idea it will supplant the big bang theory.

            The big bang theory is supported mainly by two pieces of information. Firstly is that everything in the universe is moving away from each other. (This has been proven by knowing the speed of light, and wavelengths of colors, and using the difference over time of many many measurements of the nights sky). If everything is moving away from each other it implies a common starting place. (Which in your defense could be God)

            The second piece of information is Einstien’s theory (another one) that all matter is made up of energy. With this fact scientists postulate that a large amount of energy gathered at the beginning of the universe, collected by some means, either gravity or unknown. This collective force would act much like a black hole, gathering everything until some fundamental breaking point at which matter is made, resulting in a large explosion, and forcing the newly formed matter in all directions. This too does not explicitly deny god, and the source of energy is unspecified.

            It is unwise to attack scientific theories, as they are well based on current information. They are, however, in no way “fact”, and have in no way been shoved down anyone’s throat, unless you consider learning scientific process and current conclusions “shoving”.

            Should this be the case then you should also question your faith as it too has been taught to you, with the best interpretation that your church of choice can find.

            The arguement of whether or not God exists is irrelevant. If you believe, then you believe, if not you don’t. But athiests (myself included) should not slander religion. I will raise my kids catholic and let them make their own choices as I have, for the sole reason that religion is a means to the final goal of moral people.

            On the other hand catholics should not judge athiests, as many of them lead the moral lives that the bible would expect, and I firmly believe that if a God were to exist, he/she would not be vain enough to require belief, but more judge the worth of the person.
            The one point made that is outlandish is the statement of God against homosexuality. I am not homosexual, lets start that off. But WHY would God have a problem with it. Provided that both parties are involved through free will, love exists, and the spirit of the commandments are upheld there would be no logical reason to descriminate beyond one’s own fear of the unknown.

            All in all this whole debate leaves a bad taste in my mouth. People are attacking different views. They are calling names. They are classifying the nature that someone is born with as a sin? They have created false facts to justify arguements, and made agruments with no all. Each person is entitled to their beliefs, but even still, do unto others? how would you like to be told that your firm beliefs are a lie? or that you nature that you can’t control makes you a sinner. Restraint people.

            Phew, longest post ever

        • Tha Lord August 6, 2011 at 11:31 am - Reply

          There are not competing “theories”.  There is one theory with a massive amount of evidence to support, and then there are a handful of fairy tales and myths that people actually be to be true (religion).  Observable reality is reality.

      • John Rodriguez August 6, 2011 at 6:32 am - Reply

        If there is no supernatural space pilot then how are u here in all your greatness of existence? Oh let me guess? An infinite small object the size of nothingness exploded out of no where into everything we see now over 4.6 billion years ago and we know this for a fact without using faith at all? Is that it? The fact is the Big Bang Theory is the greatest leap of faith any man has ever taken on the face of this earth, even a Satanist seems to be more rational in comparison. Supernatural space pilot is the only rational sense here, anything else is simply uncivilized. Wake up people, the lies u choose to believe do not make you any smarter, just because u think u came from a monkey doesn’t make u a genius, just because you were deceived doesn’t mean the whole world is.   

        • Tha Lord August 6, 2011 at 11:35 am - Reply

          Ignorance does not constitute a need for a designer.  Any conscious creature might come to believe that since it can survive in it’s environment, it was specially made for that purpose.  This is obviously a fallacy and does not need to be true.

          • Ash August 7, 2011 at 2:18 am -

            you know i am tired of you talking all this smack and when facts get presented in front of you and then you stay silent. I am only saying. You might want to do some actual mind searching because all I am reading from you is ignorance not intellect. 

        • Guest November 26, 2011 at 3:25 am - Reply

          Argument from ignorance. Logical fallacy. Sorry, try again.

    • Kory Urban July 26, 2011 at 8:34 am - Reply

      Ejutsu you are a calm rational person that actually seems to know what you’re talking about. I very much would like to have a verbal conversation with you on this topic and others. Please send me an email at so that we can speak further.

      • Fanny July 27, 2011 at 8:33 pm - Reply

        Calling a religious person “rational” is insulting to everyone who actually is a rational thinker. There is nothing rational about believing in something based on faith and not on evidence. Faith is the excuse people use because they cannot produce any results, and being faithful is cowardly. In the words of Albert Einstein, “If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.” Morals existed far earlier than the Bible, and they will continue to exist without religion.

        • John Rodriguez August 6, 2011 at 6:14 am - Reply

          The fact that you can’t separate the Bible from what you call religion is why you r centuries away from becoming a rational thinker. The Biblios are the oldest most accurate remaining documents upon the face of the western hemisphere. The book of Daniel and many other books include prophecies that when written had not occurred yet we can see now these prophecies were proven historically hundreds upon hundreds of years later, so as to the say the bible is proven by prophecy, the greatest archaeological discovery of our times also verifies the accuracy and providential conservation of the word. This discovery may be known to you as the Dead Sea Scrolls, ever heard of them? if not look it up my rational friend, Historical Facts scream of truth you so blindly refuse to even look at. I am rational, am-bias, open minded and most of all historical/factual. I have researched n questioned the facts beyond conclusion that the Bible is not to be overlooked, cast aside or ridiculed. To do this is not rational at all.  

          • Tha Lord August 6, 2011 at 11:29 am -

            Citation needed.  

    • John Rodriguez August 6, 2011 at 4:36 am - Reply

      Atheist act like they r so cool because they have the great answer of life via their supposed lack of belief etc. The fact is it takes way more faith to believe in a silly big bang that took place in never never land far far away literally transforming nothing into everything. Gee whiz, u deserve a cookie for coming up with that one all by yourself! 

      • Tha Lord August 6, 2011 at 11:28 am - Reply

        It takes evidence to believe in science.  That’s why we call it “science”.  If there were no evidence, we’d call it “faith”.  

        Your idea: that a Jewish man who existed as everything and nothing for all eternity one day became bored and decided to create stuff and things.  Being all powerful but apparently extremely lazy, he took almost a whole week to accomplish this.  Then, two thousand years ago, he realized his messy, piss poor creation wasn’t getting on well and it was thus time for an intervention.  Best way to accomplish this?  Another revelation to illiterate credulous morons in the desert and another human sacrifice, this time with man killing the embodiment of God himself.  

        My idea:  Observable, measurable reality constitutes the whole of reality.  

    • Clodalmighty August 9, 2011 at 1:33 pm - Reply

      Homosexuality on par with murder? Hate to pun but jesus christ, you’re twisted!

    • Daithomas24 August 20, 2011 at 1:45 pm - Reply

       No matter what way you put your text then it all adds up to one ultimate …..

      Christ Failed

      The Bible, imho, is just a series of stories depicting values and morals. Just like our modern day stories. Stories we tell our children to portray a deeper sense of meaning than they will at first understand.

      It doesn’t matter whether you are christian, muslim, seikh, atheist. All that matters is that you have your own opinions and beliefs. Everyone is an individual and people can only try and follow what they believe in. So to say that one person is wrong is wrong in itself.

      Yes, there is no scientifical proof of any of the depictions in the bible, or in any religious book for that matter, but that doesn’t mean that there was never a person called Jesus Christ.

      Other peoples views of Jesus Christ have moulded the story we see today as the Bible.

      Has anyone ever thought that Jesus was just a blaggard of the old school times, that liked to walk around and tell everyone he could turn water into wine and walk on water?

      Again, without proof, I am inclined not to believe such profanitites. But that is my personal view on it. just as everyone has their own views.

      This day in age our governments are so corrupt, they are spoonfeeding us only what they wish us to know and understand, this needs to change in order to create a more prosperous world for all beings that live on it.

    • guest September 18, 2011 at 12:33 am - Reply

      This is great. Exactly right. SOME of the Old Testament is talking about laws for Mose’s people. Those laws do not apply to us because Mose’s people did not have Jesus Christ who came to die on the cross for their sins.(as we do) i completely agree with you ejitsu

    • ELFIS September 20, 2011 at 6:29 am - Reply

      ‘Dunkeness’ is a sin? Now what am i supposed to do with my Rich Tea?…….Don’t answer that,

  34. Matt Anderson July 20, 2011 at 12:32 am - Reply

    I love Jesus!!!! He Saved ME!!!!

    • Larry July 20, 2011 at 11:21 am - Reply

      Shut up Matt! Jesus hates you.

      • Nate July 23, 2011 at 10:46 pm - Reply

        The immaturity of this comment is astounding

        • Jamestaylor2008 August 1, 2011 at 8:30 am - Reply

          But the comic nature is quite good though

    • Angelallisings August 3, 2011 at 2:28 am - Reply

      God loves all of His children. No matter what. You can’t run away from His love. I live to serve Him. Matt, love your comment! :)

  35. tremolay July 20, 2011 at 6:10 pm - Reply

    Hawk it up for ignorance!

  36. Themistocles July 20, 2011 at 10:38 pm - Reply

    Remember when your opinions mattered? I don’t. That goes for Christians, Muslims, Jews, Atheists and every other religion. Shut the fuck up and laugh a little. 

  37. Blumpkin July 20, 2011 at 11:05 pm - Reply

    @steve   you realize the site is based on mocking fun at Jesus… thus it’s a safe bet to assume its the christian bible you dumb hillbilly. and howdybre is correct, its the old testament. Spend less time insulting other peoples religions and focus more on your own.

  38. Cnwagbaraji July 21, 2011 at 4:24 pm - Reply

    Thank you Howdybre for clearing it up 

    the rest of you ate douche bags 

  39. Captainron July 21, 2011 at 6:03 pm - Reply

    Rather interesting drible however I suggest we take the teachings and wording for what they are and ask GOD to translate these words for us.  It works, and for the atheists out there, what happens if you are wrong?  Don’t believe in GOD?  Just look around.

  40. -L July 22, 2011 at 9:42 am - Reply

    Leviticus is a book of the bible that lists specific rules that apply to the Israelites in the Old Testament, which is to say, before Jesus Christ came to the Earth. After Jesus came, he says “I Am the way the truth and the light”. Jesus is the NEW way to salvation. He is the New Covenant. These old rules don’t apply anymore. These rules won’t bring salvation to you, they’re not what the Lord desires of us. Jesus is the new way.

    Everything in the bible must be taken in it’s context.
    Levitucus 1:1-2  “And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,  ‘Speak unto the children of Israel’…”
    The children of Israel.
    Before Christ.
    That’s who these rules apply to.

    Jeremiah 31:31

    “Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah”

    • Ktron July 23, 2011 at 5:13 pm - Reply

      Matthew 5:17
      “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”

      Looks like Jesus was pretty keen on the OT

  41. Tman1289 July 22, 2011 at 6:30 pm - Reply

    fucking athiests

  42. CompletHarmonie July 23, 2011 at 12:37 am - Reply

    Well … he’s using the Christian bible because he quotes the New Testament. And if he is referring to Christians specifically, then everything in Leviticus no longer mattered after Jesus came and set the new law. The football on Saturdays is pretty funny. ;) I am a strong Christian, and I don’t curse … but I also don’t give a flip about football. Anyways, common mistake to think Leviticus is the current law. No big deal. :P

  43. Chadasher11 July 23, 2011 at 12:54 am - Reply

    There is no proof . You can’t come to a gun fight with an imaginary gun. God isn’t real.

  44. Ash July 23, 2011 at 3:23 pm - Reply

    Shaving is still used as a custom by some religion groups. Cursing is a fornication of the tongue gossip is slander Saturday was considered a holy day the pork is unclean for ANY human to eat the lobster one is just dumb cause that verse describes basically ALL of our shell fish the period thing is an obvious one cause they didn’t have pads or tampons like we do now so NATURALLY things will be unclean for about a week and the clothe one was to make the point that they are supposed to be PURE… If you are going to try and disgrace the bible you should get your facts right and look in the New Testament as well as the old because HALF of these things are not even mentioned in the NT. 

  45. Guest July 23, 2011 at 6:39 pm - Reply

    This picture was taken from the webcomic
    This is not an original picture by Craig Christ, but by Dante Shepherd (the person who wrote it and is in the picture). Just thought I would point that out.

    • Paul O'Flaherty July 23, 2011 at 9:27 pm - Reply

      Wow, like the source name being in the image itself and the source link being in the bottom of the post didn’t give that away. How about you actually look for the attribution in the post before pointing out the obvious!

  46. Hannah July 23, 2011 at 11:11 pm - Reply

    Hey, to all you people supporting the bible out there… what about the dinosaurs, hmm? The bones? What about Lucy, our homosapien friend? There are signs of evolution all around us… why deny it and proclaim that God put us here on Earth, when there is absolutely no physical evidence for that except for a book that could be written by anyone? 

    • Ash July 25, 2011 at 1:04 am - Reply

      the Book of Job talks about Dinosaurs. The theory of evolution has been proven wrong! Even scientist have concluded that every single person on Earth comes form the SAME two people. Adam and Eve only scientific goes before their name. Carbon Dating itself can really only go back to about 14,000 years (thoguh I could be wrong it could be a few more thousand). Some will disagree but If you actually want to take a chance and learn something outside of your comfort zone look up Dr. Rick Oliver. He is a Evolution Biologist who has done MANY sermons on the Evolution and Creationism. He was an atheist who became a christian after years of in depth study of Evolution. He is quite amazing left a few of my high school teachers second guessing themselves as they taught the same subject. 

      • Hannah July 25, 2011 at 10:02 am - Reply

        Okay, ONE FREAKING SCIENTIST “proved evolution wrong”. What about the hundreds out there that support it? And there IS some things that have been Carbin Dated back farther…. And it’s not like I only know about my way. I’ve read the bible and gone to church. I have been out of my comfort zone… And I think it’s bullshit. And no, every person on earth has not come from the same two people. A new study out showed that we evolved alongside to apes, which then both of us came from a common denominator, the same organism. Life started out as a cell, and you kinda just need to accept it. 

        • Ash July 25, 2011 at 3:05 pm - Reply

          If  you aren’t willing to take a chance and listen to the guy then you have no room to argue. If i have to conform my beliefs and HAVE to learn about the theory of evolution then you should be willing to maybe listening to a man who received a PHD in evolutionary biology. If you believe in evolution then maybe you can answer me this. How is it that we can come from apes when we are CLEARLY different. How is it that we can talk and they can’t? How is it that one TINY cell can form its self into an animal without any help? Do you have any idea how complicated one cell is and how many components it needs to form its self into not only DNA but RNA as well. Can you explain WHERE dinosaurs came from? Can you explain where all of these different animals came from? Can you explain to me how our minds came to be so powerful that if we want to make ourselves believe we are sick we are sick.  There are so many gaps in the theory of evolution. Now i am not saying that ALL of Darwin theory is wrong. I do believe that over time animals have adapted to their environment however; I will NEVER accept the fact that I come from an animal because the bible clearly states the difference between his creation of humans and animals.

          • Hannah July 25, 2011 at 10:50 pm -

            Here we go. I HAVE listened to the guy, thank you very much, and I don’t believe him. And as said in my last comment, we didn’t come from apes, we grew up next to them as a type of cousins. And who knows? One cell doubles then those double and those until they make up and organism, and then with time, that organism adapts better and better to it’s surrounding, which is evolution. And, I highly doubt you’ve read all of the Origin of Species, because it goes against all of your points. And so what? The bible says it? Who gives a shit? Tons of physical evidence and theories against… a book? Wow. I’m convinced. And you may have come from an animal… but so did everything! Everything evolves over time! How do you explain wild dogs being domesticated, and large, vicious cats turning smaller and more friendly? EVOLUTION. 

          • Ash July 26, 2011 at 3:55 am -

            There is a huge difference between adaptation and evolution. Adaptation happens between many species. Just like the finks. Finks are all the same but some have different beaks so they can ADAPT to their environment.  This is not evolution. Evolution is like a tadpole turning into a frog or a baby that starts off as an egg. That is Evolution. Big cats grew smaller because they needed to adapt to their environment which also created a gene for that adaptation. Which in turn was traveled all over the country. Cats are not nice its HOW you domesticate them. Even domesticated cats can be highly vicious. Just like a domesticated cow, bull, dog, ect. Any animal can be domesticated but their instincts will always be there. Just like a mother can giver their child up for adoption but that motherly bond to her child will always be there. Human’s don’t evolve over time the evolution we do is in our mothers womb. Sure we get smarter, make more tools, figure out easier ways but that is ADAPTATION. Just like skin color. Skin color was an adaptation because at first we all came from africa which is true according to the bible. Then we migrated to Ireland and Ireland as most people know is very cloudy. Our skin needs those vitamin for our immune system. I never said I FULLY disagreed with the theory of evolution. However if we are to come from a itty bitty cell to create a while Universe with people and animals is HIGHLY unlikely. Yes we are made of cells that is an obvious scientific statement but one cell did not create the world. I may not have read all of the Origin of Species but if you think logically there is simply no way. It is a true SCIENTIFIC fact that we all come from the same 2 people. A study was done on it and you can look it up.

          • Hannah July 26, 2011 at 9:46 am -

            Okay, Ash, this is replying to you, but the “reply” button disappeared. And humans HAVE evolved overtime. You still haven’t explained one thing. Well, several things, but here’s one: The human skull shape changing over time, our bones becoming taller and stronger, our teeth duller because we have sharper tools. Hmm? Homosapiens? That’s no where in your little fairy tale. And, please, tell me where a dignified scientist that is NOT religious has said “Yup, well, I guess we all came from two people, hmm, how bout that.” 
            And it’s not highly unlikely… It’s more possible than a great big man in the sky deciding to put a few people on Earth and some animals and stuff. Cause he was bored or something. I really don’t get why so many people live by a book that ANYONE could have written, with no true proof of any sort. This book as caused wars and deaths and yet these pretentious religious people still say “Durrr God is almighty” when “He” has let millions of people die every day, children from starvation, teens from car accidents and murders, adults from disease. WHY?

          • soikkelie8 July 26, 2011 at 9:56 pm -

            I don’t want to read the bible because I’m not all that interested in fiction stories. I’d prefer to NOT make myself more stupid and maybe learn something that’s actual FACT that is proven with hundreds of SCIENTIFIC STUDIES. Maybe if you payed attention in school or weren’t as stupid as a toddler you’d realize that we have found skulls from different periods of our evolution, and that evolution takes place over millions of years. How can you claim that “believing your sick makes you sick” is an act of God? Have you ever even heard of the placebo effect? You’re just perpetuating the stereotype that Christians are idiots.

          • aly July 27, 2011 at 4:09 pm -

            tell that to the penguin in that penguin movie wailing over her dead baby. 

          • guest July 31, 2011 at 7:44 am -

            Hilariously, I can tell you how each one of those processes work.
            1) we aren’t as different as you claim from apes.  We share almost 99% of our structural DNA.  The reason we can talk and they can’t is because we didn’t evolve from apes.  We as humans evolved from the same common denominator, which interestingly enough is believed to be far preceding apes. The necessity of talking and communication developed as a result of our habitat changing over time.  Apes hung out in trees; we chilled in the grass.  Pre-humans needed a way of acknowledging danger before the others could see it.  Hence, the vocal chords were used to produce sounds that others understood as “gtfo guys big fuckin’ cat”.  And over several hundred thousand years, those vocal chords and our cranial cavities evolved to allow for more complex speech.  
            2) One tiny cell cannot form itself into an animal.  That was a little ridiculous of you to suggest.  What that cell can do, however, is reproduce.  And reproduce.  And reproduce.  And something will change.  And it’ll stick.  And more reproduction.  
            More changes.   Over millions, in this case billions of years, that cell will evolve into a multi-cellular organism, where it can hang out with all its friends together as one structure (by the way, that’s part of adaptation).  And due to life most likely starting in the ocean, Ocean life, particularly sedentary ocean life, will evolve.  When tidal changes occur, that will spur more change throughout species, which will start to appear very different by that point.  Some species will become exposed to the air (which was most likely a different concentration of gases early on), causing mass surface death.  However the ones that do survive will evolve to thrive in the environment.  Still sedentary though.  Plants and bacteria really.  But you’ll get the random little fish from the ocean (oh yeah fish evolved probably around the time land plants did) who get trapped in a small pond or something that forces adaptation onto them.  Adaptation over time forces evolution.  They learn to tolerate air for short periods, and venture onto land.  VOILA!  Land species. :]
            3) Yeah, I get the gist of it. That’s probably a major factor in life taking as long as it did to even start, not to mention evolve.
            4) Refer to number 2 to understand the general process where dinosaurs and all these different animals came from.  I could explain it if you want but that might take a while.
            5) Ever hear the phrase “Mind over matter”? Our minds are what perceive the world around us!  Keep that in mind when asking questions like this.  The brain is so complex, so many neurons are firing while you’re reading these letters, and forming words and meaning from each one, and hearing that fan in the background, and feeling the mouse in your hand, and the stubbed toe you got when you hit the desk, that it’s staggering to even think.  Our minds became so powerful because they were, like most life, designed to grow and change with the environment.  Humans, as nasty as we are, have a habit of speeding crap up to suit our needs.  It’s exponential growth.  The reason you “get sick” when you think you are is probably because you’re actually physically ill.  Gee. But if you are talking about the part where your brain fools itself into the body reacting with an immune response to nothing, that’s where you’re a hypochondriac.  The brain perceives all sorts of data, it’s no wonder we can fool ourselves into being sick.
            Yeah, odds are you came from an animal.  Fun part is, it probably looked something like a rat.  Neat, huh?
            Sure, you don’t need to accept that, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.  A 9 year old could easily say 9/11 didn’t happen.  Obviously not true but just because we know better doesn’t mean they do.  Time and experience.  You’ll see the world for what it is soon enough.  One day you’ll wake up and probably say something to the effect of “Who gives a crap how it started?  Not me, gosh darnit.  I have better things to do today than freak out about nothing.” 
            Oh and you really should read up on some of Darwin’s conjecture and the responses it’s gotten since.  It’s been largely discredited.  The reason Darwin’s so famous (or infamous to some) is because his research was the kick-start to modern theories on the subject of natural selection, adaptation, and evolution.  It’s the same deal with Newton and gravity.  Modern science knows so much more about the forces of gravity and its relation to mass and energy than he could have ever imagined.  Doesn’t mean he wasn’t brilliant.  He and Einstein would have had a ball talking to each other.
            Just so’s y’all know, you can’t prove evolution “wrong” without proving that each and every organism, big and small, complex and simple, is the EXACT same generation after generation.  Forever.  Now altering the modern theory is a different matter.  Like somebody else said, science is observation.  It’s self-correcting based on the new ways we perceive things, advancing technology, etc.

          • Daithomas24 August 20, 2011 at 2:34 pm -

            Guest, so…so….so true, thank you for being one of the only commenters to make a shred of sense on this subject. 

          • guest September 18, 2011 at 12:39 am -

            So then how are a human’s eye and a squid’s eye almost exactly the same, yet they come from nothing similar? Coincidence?

          • Detribus September 24, 2011 at 4:31 pm -

            Evolution is mutation. Mutations happen in cells all the time. The reason evolution works, it seems you don’t understand, is that if my cell mutates, and it makes me stronger (such as a brain more capable than an apes) i can now use tools and kill animals because i understand. I spread my seed more, because i kill more, and live longer. this mutation in my cells is passed onto my offspring, who can kill more and live longer, and so on, etc…

            I think the thing everyone forgets is no matter how you look at it,1. God didn’t even write the bible. God told man how to write it. We all know that Man is untrustworthy, evil, and irrational and god created man “in his own image”.

      • Thosebrighteyess July 26, 2011 at 10:07 pm - Reply

        One of the misconceptions of mitochondrial Eve is that since all women alive today descended in a direct unbroken female line from her that she was the only woman alive at the time.[10][11] Nuclear DNA
        studies indicate that the size of the ancient human population never
        dropped below tens of thousands. There were many other women around at
        Eve’s time with descendants alive today, but sometime in the past, those
        lines of descent included at least one male, who do not pass on their
        mother’s mitochondrial DNA, thereby breaking the line of descent. By
        contrast, Eve’s lines of descent to each person alive today includes
        precisely one purely matrilineal line.
        —Takahata, N (January 1993), “Allelic genealogy and human evolution”, Mol. Biol. Evol. 10 (1): 2–22, PMID 8450756″
        Why don’t you take your own advice and research things before you spout them out like you know something.

  47. Sabrina July 25, 2011 at 12:00 am - Reply

    if this bothers some people, those certain people shouldnt read it. duh.

    • Ash July 25, 2011 at 12:57 am - Reply

      the point is this. People give FALSE information of the bible. Just like westboro and other churches today. If you want to bash something actually read it and understand it. Another thing Why do people want coexist for religion when it comes down to it the ONLY religion that gets bashed 24/7 is Christianity. Christianity is the only religion that isn’t allowed to be talked about in schools… Think about it.


      • cwolf20 July 26, 2011 at 8:50 am - Reply

        “Christianity is the only religion that isn’t allowed to be talked about in schools… Think about it.”

        Christianity is constantly talked about in schools. 

        This martyr complex that xtians take is just amazing to me.  Only with religion can the 75% majority pretend to be oppressed.

      • Thosebrighteyess July 26, 2011 at 9:38 pm - Reply

        …what religion is allowed to be talked about? All can be taught in classes like philosophy, just in the context of being fact…

      • Soikkelie8 July 26, 2011 at 9:41 pm - Reply

        NO religion is talked about in school more or less than any other religion, it’s called separation of church and state. Maybe all these people who have a problem with gay or lesbian marriages could remember that, it exists for a reason.

      • Selina Scott October 26, 2011 at 5:45 am - Reply

        ….. Wha? I wasn’t going to wade into any of this and just enjoy the trolling until I saw this.
        Really? Christianity is the only religion that gets bashed 24/7?
        I am a lot more neutral on this than most people and I see Muslims receiving a lot more hate than Christians. 

  48. Tstanley30 July 25, 2011 at 1:26 pm - Reply

    Those were all under the laws of the Old Testament, that were written by Pharisees. God gave the Israelites the ten commandments, and the Pharisees added all hose laws. That is why God sent his son, Christ, to die for us, so that in Him we will have salvation. So we would not have to be subject to such laws besides the ten commandments

  49. Jdub67788 July 25, 2011 at 9:40 pm - Reply

    Yeah, back then “shaving” or trimming the sides of your beard was a sign of mourning. its saying not to morn for the dead. People need to background check this stuff before jumping to conclusions because many things just dont mean the same as what they used to. A lot of things that the Bible bans had to do with idolatry and false gods

    • Thosebrighteyess July 26, 2011 at 9:35 pm - Reply

      yes, because religion is all about fact checking and logical thinking.

  50. Okok July 26, 2011 at 12:49 am - Reply

    the bible is so out of date like come on get real people

  51. TEA July 26, 2011 at 8:41 am - Reply

    Jesus was the fulfillment of Judaism, and thus the ceremonial and civil laws of the Old Testament have been fulfilled by Christ. Many of the moral laws, such as that of gay marriage, are still found in the New Testament.

  52. Vedette July 26, 2011 at 9:06 am - Reply

    Weren’t these for the Israelites?.

  53. Xxthingy11oxx July 26, 2011 at 1:54 pm - Reply

    All of you are ridiculous. there are so many versions so which one do u believe? I personally don’t believe any of this bullshit. Just grow up and live life to the fullest and whatever happens when u die happens! End of story! this is an argument that needs to end! let people live how they want to live. 

  54. Marylynne July 26, 2011 at 3:33 pm - Reply

    You forgot that we are not to boil a kid goat in its mother’s milk.  That one always trips me up. 

  55. Thosebrighteyess July 26, 2011 at 10:17 pm - Reply

    forgot the things you CAN do.
    c’mon, there’s lotsa fun stuff that’s still allowed….
    If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only
    six years.  Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for
    his freedom.  If he was single when he became your slave and then married
    afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year.  But if he was married
    before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him.  If his master
    gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the
    man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still
    belong to his master.  But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my
    wife, and my children.  I would rather not go free.’  If he does this, his
    master must present him before God.  Then his master must take him to the door
    and publicly pierce his ear with an awl.  After that, the slave will belong to
    his master forever.  (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will
    not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the
    man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not
    allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract
    with her.  And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he
    may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. 
    If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her
    food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of
    these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. 
    (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    and to all the “you’re quoting the old testament! that doesn’t count!” arguers, the logistics of buying and selling slaves exist in the new testament as well! WOOHOOOOOO

  56. doyleg July 27, 2011 at 1:09 am - Reply

    Don’t worry about anything about the bible or religion, either way it is going to disappear soon enough along with the Vatican… religion is no longer something that needs to exist, c’mon people we’re not ancient anymore, evolution says goodbye to religion… so deal with it

  57. Luke July 27, 2011 at 2:38 am - Reply

    Sorry, but that was for the people of that time. To separate themselves as God’s people from the rest of the world. It doesn’t apply to today. For example, in Acts, God tells Peter that pork and such is OK to eat.  Don’t take things out of context. 

  58. Ash July 27, 2011 at 3:09 am - Reply

    This is a reply for Tha Lord because there was no reply button. 

    You say I am a bigot but you have no idea who I am! All you know is that I am follower of Jesus Christ which makes you not like me. Have you not been reading what I have said? I don’t persecute anyone! I just pointed out all of my flaws all of my personal daily sins and yet you sit there telling me that I am a false teacher? Now who is judging who? I am one of the most unselfish person anyone can meet. I graduated High School and yet I still go back and help my teachers move out of their class rooms because they got FIRED or help the janitorial staff clean or help organize music. I wasn’t even a stage manager of musical we did and yet I was there everyday making sure everything got done and cleaned. I am ALWAYS giving my time and energy to people when they need me. As for my family they aren’t even Christian as a matter of fact they abused me physically, mentally and sexually and they even kicked me out of my own home in my senior year but yet I STILL love them. That’s right I don’t hate my family at all I LOVE them you know why? Because God’s word tells me to!  I AM NOT PERFECT!! I falter and mess up because that’s how humans are. I will always falter until I die. I have been addicted to weed and alcohol, I have cut myself because I felt worthless, I can barely be in the same room alone with a man because of what you dad has done to me, I KNOW what it is like to lose a friend to both suicide and ATTEMPTED suicide. We preach because we KNOW what its like to be in a pit and not knowing how to get out. We KNOW what is like to feel like a total screw up NOT to condemn people because THAT is not my job that is God’s job! My Job is to let the lost know what God’s word says and what God’s love is. Just because I am a Christian doesn’t mean I don’t know how hard life is. 

  59. Ramses 3.0 Beta July 27, 2011 at 6:21 am - Reply

    I’m beginning to think that athiests read the Bible as much – if not more – than Christians do.

    • Guest July 31, 2011 at 5:56 pm - Reply

      Argumentation basics, know your opponents’ argument, so you can refute it better.

  60. Daztheledge July 27, 2011 at 1:50 pm - Reply

    If you look at the ” Banning associating with women on their periods” 

    It just sounds like common sense to me. Obviously, it is not the most hygienic thing. The same with Eating Pork. Pigs would have carried many different diseases, and therefore are not the safest thing to eat. 

  61. Worship SLAYER July 27, 2011 at 5:08 pm - Reply

    I believe most of that is in the 1st Testament.  At least Leviticus is.  Most Christians today, do not follow that only the new testament.  That shit mainly applies to Orthodox Jews who strictly follow the Torah(1st Testament).  Anyways, God is fake and in no way has any control on what happens on earth.  Karl Marx nailed the frigger when he said, “Religion is the opiate of the masses”.  All in all, Slayer is who you should worship at least they are real.  FUCKIN SLAYER

    • Heather July 27, 2011 at 5:16 pm - Reply

      Tell that to all the Christians who refer to the bible when talking about how old the earth is and whether homosexuality is an abomination. In my experience, ‘most christians’ pick and choose what they want to enforce… OT or NT. 

    • Jonathan Wilson July 28, 2011 at 5:08 pm - Reply

      First I like  you Marx quote, RELIGION is stupid, like environmentalism, evolution, yes the christian religion Islam, and all of the others.  but beliefs are not, so long as the owner doesnt try to force them on others. a belief is alright so long as it doesnt make you kill every one (namely muslim extremists but not limited to them) to heather, no the Hippocratic statements are getting old, but pretend you have a religion that bans being gay, but you choose to be gay, does that matter so long as they dont go around telling others not to be gay. that then does not have anything to do with religion but a false sense of social acceptability.

  62. My_love_high July 29, 2011 at 7:36 am - Reply

    Is it fun being ignorant? you cannot preach or condemn what you do not know.

  63. James Dickerson July 30, 2011 at 11:24 am - Reply

    How do women wo are on their cycle exist?  Or was this thing written by a human male?

  64. Jewboy67 July 30, 2011 at 2:42 pm - Reply

    There is nothing wrong with cotton/poly blends it’s wool and linen that is forbidden. As an Orthodox Jew I follow all these commandments, every time i buy a new suit i send it to a lab for the fibers to be tested. It’s called Shatnez testing, look it up.

  65. Guest August 1, 2011 at 4:24 pm - Reply

    Dear Paul the Atheist:
    “The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.””
    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

    • Paul O'Flaherty August 1, 2011 at 4:28 pm - Reply

      The fool says “look at that, i can’t explain it, so let’s not even try. Instead lets call it god and revel in our ignorance because it’s sooooo much easier than thinking for myself.”

      • anon August 10, 2011 at 3:18 pm - Reply

        U mad bro?

  66. Kinnison August 2, 2011 at 1:00 am - Reply

    Levitical law was really only followed by jews.  If you are going to bash religion don’t bother using their scripture to do it with since you end up trying to use your ignorance agaisnt them. It just makes you look silly.

  67. Redleg269 August 2, 2011 at 8:08 am - Reply

    yep, I’m good then.  I have dropped all those except the football, but, now that I know. I will do that as well.  Thanks for helping me

  68. herpderpshutup August 2, 2011 at 9:04 pm - Reply

    Excuse me while I just put all the old testment laws that are still followed by the Orthodox Jewish people up here.

  69. Josh August 3, 2011 at 12:48 am - Reply

    Believe what you like Paul, god created all men equal, so the questions that burn in my mind at night are the same that burn in yours and every other theological critic on this marble so stay true to your belief id have it no other way :) lets see how your rational bulleted list stands before Christ. To answer the guy below that says the old testament is strictly for Israelites. He is only half correct, these laws are reinstated in the new covenant which includes the physical Israelites ,you and I, I CANT STRESS THIS ENOUGH read for yourself dont just rely on someone else opinion or “facts”

    • Paul O'Flaherty August 3, 2011 at 5:31 am - Reply

      Except that  I was not created by a god… judging based on a purely physical and intellectual capacity  (not ideological), it’s painfully obvious that all people are not “created equal”.

  70. Awnwally123 August 3, 2011 at 4:03 am - Reply

    ok lol learn your fucking bible people in the first book genesis there are fucking contradictions in the way that the earth was made. first god made everything then light etc………. then in the next part of the bible adam is alone in the garden and is lonely after everything had already been created……… so god asks him what he wants to occupy his time and then god makes the animals again…… adam says no to all of them and god is GUESSING what adam wants. first book of your bible. bible isnt a text book …. its a fucking aesop fable with a lesson in every story

    • Ash August 7, 2011 at 2:31 am - Reply

      This is an unintelligent comment. You should follow your own advice next time. 

  71. Andre Martins August 4, 2011 at 3:10 pm - Reply

    In all due respect to religion. Shouldn’t you be a “good person” regardless of what church you go to ? Criticizing another religion only makes the matter worse … no religion is right or wrong because no one knows, no person is right because what is considered right changes based on culture. Before you complain that another religion or form of it is ruining anything, try to make sense of how they live their lives without personal bias THEN complain but do it in a way that it becomes constructive and not just bitchy …. except for the people in the westboro baptist church, they’re crazy

  72. Adam Martin August 4, 2011 at 5:05 pm - Reply

    Bup bup! Timothy 2:11 says women aren’t supposed to talk!

  73. Jack August 4, 2011 at 6:49 pm - Reply

    or everyone could just shut the fuck up and believe whatever they want to believe and not ridicule people for believing in something different…

  74. I laughed.... August 5, 2011 at 4:13 pm - Reply

    Why does it matter? Why does everyone have to make a big deal about a JOKE? If you don’t like this website’s content, DON’T GO HERE. Simple enough right?

    • Nemo August 5, 2011 at 10:46 pm - Reply

      Actually, I hate the content on this website (no offense, my opinion – what people find funny I simply don’t – no harm no foul).

      StumpleUpon just takes me here

  75. Guestzzzzz August 5, 2011 at 10:55 pm - Reply

    lol we’re all smarter then christians who are dumb. too bad god didnt take into account that the internets would tell everyone the truth lol i dont know anything about the bible

    • Amirite? August 10, 2011 at 3:14 pm - Reply

      I’m christian and I’m pretty sure I’m smarter than you are, at least I’m certainly smart enough to know that I’m probably not the smartest person out of a group of around 2.1 billion people.  Kind of arrogant to think that.

  76. xyofyle August 6, 2011 at 1:08 pm - Reply

    i have noticed how some christians inordinate amounts of hate towards people who do not agree with their beliefs or make fun of thier religion. but if i remember right, these christians are taught to forgive and love their enemies.  obviously, the practice is not what is preached. 

    • Ash August 7, 2011 at 2:30 am - Reply

      We don’t hate. Hate is a strong word. simply dislike and we are not perfect I don’t know why people seem to think we are. We sin too. Its not like God says “you now have the power of perfection and immunization from sin!” I wish that was a true fact because that would me my life SOOOO much easier but alas it doesn’t. So next time you want to go around saying arrogant comments you might want to use your brain and think of the fact that even CHRISTIANS are human and fall on their faces too. 

      • xyofyle August 7, 2011 at 8:37 pm - Reply

        i did not say all christians, just some. keyword there. hate is a strong word and i used it because i could not think of a stronger word. i do not expect perfection from anyone as nor one or thing is perfect. do not assume this is an arrogant comment, since it is a real observation. my brain functions as well as yours. you may not act as those i am talking about, which is a good thing. i do not see other christians correcting these hateful people though.

  77. Anthony Chmielewski August 6, 2011 at 1:58 pm - Reply

    some of them seem like good ideas

  78. Major_nougat August 7, 2011 at 8:55 pm - Reply

    This is silly though, sure the bible banned these things, but the later in the NT Jesus basically said to do away with the old. Jesus was completely irreligious, he threw all this out the window. You can’t read half the book then try to make that your talking point.

    • TheCreatureUnderTheBridge August 8, 2011 at 2:31 am - Reply

      just clarifying  Matthew 5:17 “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.

  79. TheCreatureUnderTheBridge August 8, 2011 at 2:27 am - Reply

    oh hey look one more person who thinks he understands the universe 

  80. Sean Herrell August 10, 2011 at 6:04 pm - Reply

    it still shows you how dumb christians are fuckwads. religion is hazardous and on of the biggest scams worldwide 

  81. 13eestro August 11, 2011 at 12:15 am - Reply

    Reading all of the comments of people bitching back and forth is quite entertaining….

  82. Kjers24 August 11, 2011 at 5:51 am - Reply

    i agree with howdbre this is all old law stuff for the Isaelites…. looks like you guys just wasted some time trying to think this one sucks for you.

  83. Pepperbabe5 August 11, 2011 at 9:59 am - Reply

    Well if you knew anything about the bible you would know some of these rules are under the old law presented to the people Moses lead out of Egypt. The old law does not apply after Christs sacrifice on the cross.

  84. Kiki August 11, 2011 at 6:53 pm - Reply

    Mosaic Law is obsolete

    • xyofyle August 13, 2011 at 4:15 pm - Reply

      if mosaic law is obsolete, why did god allow it in the first place? was it some kind of game he plays? if he is such a perfect and loving guy, why not do it right the first time?

  85. Jesus August 13, 2011 at 2:45 pm - Reply

    If I can’t associate with a woman on her period, how would I earn my red wings?  yum yum!

  86. Clarks2597 August 13, 2011 at 6:58 pm - Reply

    Simple logic will tell you that there is no god.  We are but a speck in the universe.  Lighten up and live it up.  You are only alive for so long, so stop the fighting and share some oreo cookies, YUM!

  87. AnAthiest August 14, 2011 at 3:48 pm - Reply

    Well, now that society doesn’t follow the majority of the bible, why follow it at all?

  88. Jonathan August 16, 2011 at 11:07 pm - Reply

    First of all, you guys need to calm down and stop calling each other stupid and such.

    Now, most of this is from Leviticus, right? Well the word Leviticus comes from the Levites, the Levite tribe was one of the twelve that were priests. So this book was mainly of the ceremonial laws given to them to carry out. As such, these are ceremonial laws, not moral laws. And as Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” Which leaves the moral laws in place, but not the ceremonial laws, because He took the place of the priests by sacrificing Himself. This is what I personally believe, and everyone else can believe whatever they want. I do not hate them and I try my hardest to not be a hypocrite, no one is perfect. 

    Just look up textual criticism on the Bible if you want to read some interesting things about its reliability.  

  89. Tlowe August 17, 2011 at 12:35 am - Reply

    howdybre=doin it right. i commend you

  90. David Batterson August 17, 2011 at 7:00 am - Reply

    Jesus doesn’t sound like a very fun dude!

  91. B4u2r0n August 17, 2011 at 10:58 am - Reply

    Wow, lots of tension on this debate!
    Religion lies within the heart and soul of every single human being. Within them they are one with (their idea of) ‘God’ and therefore it has to be their own personal choice. To condemn someone for their beliefs is wrong. To let someone control you with their beliefs is wrong. Each and every one of us has to make our own choice based on our own individual belief and to find the choice that makes us happy and content. And then to live our life in that happiness.
    Otherwise your life is wasted and your actions in it are pointless. Live a full and happy life, despite what anyone else believes. It’s YOUR choice.
    “Live Long & Prosper” :)

  92. Person August 17, 2011 at 2:44 pm - Reply

    Thank “God” I’m atheist.

  93. Ronson4 August 18, 2011 at 4:46 pm - Reply

    The Bible was created by men, edited by men. If people knew or researched how the bible was put together, no one would be on a high horse. It was done by what today would be a meeting of the most powerful “leaders’ on the planet. They decided who and what is in it. 

    • Jonathan August 18, 2011 at 5:01 pm - Reply

      And these people were?

  94. zombie man August 19, 2011 at 12:18 am - Reply

    your a fucking retard, why on earth does stumble keep bringing me to your closed minded fucktard quotes. you are the dumbest person on the internet the e harmony cat lady is leaps and bounds smarter then you are or ever will be. you disgust me.

    P.S Boston is a horrible team.

  95. estralla August 19, 2011 at 3:08 am - Reply

    Oh zombie man – so funny that you call them the dumbest person on the internet when you think that not shaving leads to “stumble”. Maybe there is proof that evolution doesn’t exist, because surely natural selection would have claimed your dumb ass ages ago

  96. Whit August 19, 2011 at 10:42 pm - Reply

    If you read the Bible and study, then you will read that in the New Testament it says that when Jesus died on the cross as the final sacrifice, then he did away with the old law and put into place the new law.  The New Testament has written in it, some of the laws from the Old Testament but there are many of the old laws that we do not keep, such as: remember the sabbath day and keep it holy.  We no longer have laws that prohibit doing things on the Sabbath and he also commanded us to meet together on the first day of the week, making that the new law.  There are also verses in the New Testament regarding homosexuality and how it is a sin.  It is not that the Bible is obsolete for our world today, its that our world today has chosen to accept such sins and turn away from God. 

  97. guest August 20, 2011 at 1:11 am - Reply

    Christianity is not about any one text or one rule that was written down, edited, reproduced, or made up. It’s about the fact that God himself 
    A. Created life
    B. Saved humanity through the human life of Jesus Christ
    C. Accepts everyone. 
    It’s not about the bible. It’s about the ideals and lessons the bible teaches that are actually relevant. Love your neighbor as yourself, put God above others, do charitable works, help those less fortunate. 
    I personally believe that people get too caught up in what the bible says rather than the message it’s supposed to convey. I’m a pretty solid Catholic Christian and even I agree.. some of the things in the Old Testament are ridiculous and probably were edited. But the message of the bible (mainly the NT in my mind, but the OT has some really beautiful lessons, verses, and stories) has, in my personal belief, stayed constant. 
    Even atheists could benefits from the principles the bible teaches. I’m not one to force any sort of belief or ideal onto another person. Hell, I question my religion on a regular basis. I have nothing against gays, atheists, or any other religion. In short, read past the ridiculous rules and focus on what is actually behind the text: the basic human dignities that we all deserve, wether we believe in one god, fifty gods, or none whatsoever.

  98. joejmz August 20, 2011 at 11:01 am - Reply

    Yes, if one is practicing Judaism, all of those things are “banned.”  However, Christians are not Jews.  In the book of Acts, chapter 15, we see that early Christians realized the fact that Christians who did not come from Jewish backgrounds did not need to follow Jewish law in order to be Christians.

  99. Newman August 20, 2011 at 9:54 pm - Reply


  100. Frendug August 21, 2011 at 7:06 am - Reply

    This is getting old. Here is an awesome and very interesting explanation as to why some Old Testament Law is “ignored” or “overlooked”:

    Enjoy trying to refute THAT.

  101. Kaykimb August 22, 2011 at 7:47 am - Reply

    No one is mocking a religion, they’re just stating that the bible is against other things than just gay marriages.

  102. Cobremrock August 22, 2011 at 10:44 pm - Reply

    The Bible told the people not to eat pork for no reason, it said to not eat pork due to the lethal diseases at the time carried by pigs that were killing and crippling many of the people. Unless you understand what everything means in the Bible, don’t criticize because you just look like the blind idiot you are.

  103. ActuallyReadTheBible August 23, 2011 at 7:46 pm - Reply

    Kuds to the guy underneath me. I agree. You took those things TOTALLY out of context.

  104. Saucyforlife August 24, 2011 at 5:07 pm - Reply

    Hey i hate seeing you all fight on here about the bible. I am a christian and i believe everything the bible says. Do me a favor and listen to a sermon called “why I believe the bible” its by voddie bachum.  If you listen to this sermon and the facts he presents for why the bible is true you might think twice before you post a comment on here. 

  105. PersonalJesus September 3, 2011 at 7:47 pm - Reply

    Well well
    well. I focused on the gay part of this discussion. Not knowing this site and
    accidentally getting here. Interesting stuff. I am a Dutch person, so apologies
    for typos, incorrect English or directness which we dutch are as foreign people say?
    I was raised Christian. Put my doubts a lot into the whole theory as with all
    religions. (Apparently one has to pick one and name it the best of all breeds…pfff)…
    i am not anti god and religion nor am i picking on people with a strong
    opinion. I am glad that I am raised in the Netherlands. I am not gay, which
    in the context is important to mention cause I am defending gay people against
    rubbish about ‘lifestyle, decease’ etc….

    In the Netherlands
    there are many things likely wrong as we hear a lot (our so called Drug use and
    we allow it etc… we are almost Sodom and Gomorra if I understand it well…)…
    but people on this site pro or against gay people from whatever pov. We had this
    discussion long time ago and it is really irrelevant. Gays do not offend
    heterosexuals and if a Christian believes gay people will burn in hell. Then
    they are content with the end result right? Then it is a non-issue. Gay people
    come to NL a lot for the tolerance, although lately we have some issues again
    with religious people from the Islam who like to beat up gays. (And at the same
    time sell dope. that does not make sense…) our (dutch) discussions are about
    abortion, euthanasia, the right for suicide (it is a disscusion before someone
    thinks we supply pills in the drugstore for that), and other ethical issues…
    can u people please stick to the topic, which is the picklist of the bible to
    allow sins and sometimes live by the book?

    The OT is
    horrible. Long story short. But it is in the end just the 10 amendments. if we tolerate, respect and do not do horrible things and accept eac others space and opinion without violence then all will be fine.

    my humble opinion.

  106. Nik September 13, 2011 at 4:48 pm - Reply

    K don’t insult what you don’t know

  107. Nik September 13, 2011 at 5:12 pm - Reply

    All of those laws where for ancient jews, and were repealled after Jesus was born

  108. blk kid90 September 13, 2011 at 5:26 pm - Reply

    christians usually say regarding the old testament laws are different from any other laws in the bible but the bible actually doesnt differentiate these laws and any other laws in the bible. they are all called the mosaic laws. in the new testament jesus said he came to keep all the mosaic laws so these are all are all in effect today. 

  109. Yourmom September 13, 2011 at 6:57 pm - Reply

    Yeah more anti-christian rhetoric, thanks stumble upon. 

  110. Diane E. Ball September 13, 2011 at 10:31 pm - Reply

    I’m making a list and breaking it twice……

  111. Lindsey! September 15, 2011 at 4:42 pm - Reply

    hahaha, fuck you religious freaks, this is funny

  112. JLH8 September 15, 2011 at 5:20 pm - Reply

     Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience -1 Corinithians 10:25

    • JLH8 September 15, 2011 at 5:26 pm - Reply

      Matthew 12:2-7 (Sabbath related)
      The period thing is a cleanliness law
      I think we can all agree gossiping is wrong and hurtful to people

  113. Dafffsdf September 15, 2011 at 6:57 pm - Reply

    to be entirely honest, the old testament is a great recourse and is an important part of the bible. in face the whole bible is important, but the christian religion generally follows the new testament.

  114. Godsbittersalt September 15, 2011 at 7:00 pm - Reply

    SATAN loves YOU more.She don’t care if you cut yr hair and get tattoos and hang out with loose woman.Oh yea there is no g*d or Satan.

  115. Nick Zounis September 15, 2011 at 9:20 pm - Reply

    “leviticus leviticus leviticus”

    Lol leviticus doesn’t even count anymore as far as we’re concerned.

    Just sayyin.

  116. Wanna be friends? September 16, 2011 at 3:08 am - Reply

    I just think it’s funny that if this post were picking apart any other religion of peace the tables would be turned… I’m sure there are contradictions in other religious texts and I’m sure no one gives a damn… But Jesus contradicting laws put in effect by his father!? What child would even dream of such disobedience?! Please, let’s just all believe what we want, and if by divine intervention some atheist finds God, so be it. If not, it wasn’t meant to be.

  117. your ignorance is disgusting. September 16, 2011 at 10:40 am - Reply

    way to take it all out of context, leviticus was the laws for priest and prophets of that time, its old testament and pretty much their so you would know the significance of the prophets and what they had to go through and do.

  118. GiMi September 17, 2011 at 2:47 am - Reply

    Those are all verses from the Old Testament. Christians believe that when the man Jesus died on the cross, he took over all of those rules from the OT except for the 10 Commandments that were given by Moses. The reason Christians still believe that homosexuality is a sin is because in the New Testament, which is the “new law” homosexuality is still a sin.
    “1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not
    inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually
    immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (NIV).”

  119. JamesKelso September 17, 2011 at 9:32 am - Reply

    Put apart – Not out of the camp, but from converse with her husband and others. It makes sense to me to stay clear of a woman on her period. This time of the month is not a time of quiet reflection.

  120. Raymond Meyers September 17, 2011 at 6:35 pm - Reply

    Odd to me that people on all sides of this argument feel so strongly about other people’s opinions. The message seems rather constant from comment to comment, “Be more tolerant of my viewpoint because yours is all fucked up, you ignorant inbred hillbilly.”

    It’s fun to read for a while.

  121. MildManneredSpectator September 18, 2011 at 12:48 am - Reply

    why cant we all just calm the fuck down, worry about our own damn beliefs ideals and morals? There are SO many more things to judge another on. On a side note why are there so many christians going to a site called This argument describes perfectly the lack of understanding, respect, and acceptance of your fellow man/woman’s idea of right and wrong. I really wish this would stop, cant we live our lives not worrying about what others believe,”? Is that really to much to ask? So what lf someone doesnt think how you do, the ability to think for ourselves is what makes us human, what we need to do now is realize this. If this is acomplished the world might be a better place.

    The worst part is, this will get completely ignored and more than likely trolled, which really sucks as the fighting will continue. Sigh….

  122. Lexi September 18, 2011 at 12:34 pm - Reply

    The only disgraceful piece of shit here is “iHateHomos” What a bitch.

  123. B Cook0316 September 18, 2011 at 11:58 pm - Reply

    the fact that these laws don’t apply to us today doesn’t mean that the entire Old Testament should be thrown out as unimportant. All of the laws mentioned in this post are from the book of Leviticus which is a set of laws given to the nation of Israel to set them apart from the rest of the world as followers and believers in Yahweh. 

  124. O4reo September 19, 2011 at 2:28 am - Reply

    the book Quran , is the same since 1430 year, and it support many verses of the bible. Quran could be the answer to your questions , so way not to give it a tray.

  125. JesusLaughed September 19, 2011 at 6:29 pm - Reply

    Man! Just read below… And we think some Muslims over-react! This is funny stuff above.

  126. Memonkeycool September 19, 2011 at 8:24 pm - Reply

    Well one thing is for sure, there is two very different opinions. But why such a heated conversation over a book that is supposed to inspire people to unite and look after each other, love thy neighbor means peace right? Do not kill means? Peace….right.  Every belief system has its holes in it. Sure the bible is old, so are all the Islamic and Hindi books & teachings. If we where to put as much effort into clarifying the points that every faith & belief system agree on. We would very quickly realize the who, what and where do not really matter. Jesus, Buddha, Mohamed & many other Gods and profits all wanted peace for “there people”. Well what we need to realize is that we are all there people and unite in the name of peace. Cause if we are honest we all secretly have our own gods/spirits/beliefs/rituals. I bet people on both sides of the argument have prayed to someone or something in there lives. What ever gives you strength when you need it. “Everybody Love Everybody”- Jackie Moon

  127. Jlamast September 20, 2011 at 1:20 pm - Reply

    LOL so taken out of context. And also put in words The Bible does NOT say.

  128. tony September 20, 2011 at 1:44 pm - Reply

    You know,…if you choose not to believe I am  fine with that. We don’t harass your ignorance. Why don’t you just go away and leave us foolish believers alone? once again thumbs down!

  129. Bjwitcraft September 21, 2011 at 12:12 am - Reply

    If religion is so accurate, why are Jesus and all depicted as white with brown hair? In those times travel would have been very difficult and there would have been a severe lack of European influence….so why do they look very European? Should they not be of darker skin? Also, if the Bible was never altered, why does every religion have their own version and why are most every Christian religions so different?

  130. Kc W Bonner September 22, 2011 at 1:16 am - Reply

    ok the bible should be followed to wat u feel by the grace of god through prayer to be wat is the correct path for you

  131. Julia Latham September 24, 2011 at 7:23 pm - Reply

    Can’t we all just get along please? Bashing someone’s sexuality, religion, or opinion doesn’t make you more intelligent. No one is going to read what you wrote and think, ‘wow what a cool guy!’ So please, stop. People are killed because of differing opinions. I’m not saying that we all have to agree on everything. But we can at least try a lot harder to listen and accept others’ beliefs. Telling someone that they’re a fag or that they’re retarded is not only incredibly insulting to millions of people, but also makes you look even more ignorant. So, please…stop. Go do something you enjoy other than arguing with strangers online; spend time with your family, go for a walk, play a game, read a book, hang out with your friends. It hurts to see that we have the incredible technology and resources of the internet and we use it to fight with people we’ve never met. Let’s be friends.

  132. GL051519921442244848 September 24, 2011 at 7:53 pm - Reply

    I’m disappointed
    Usually these posts are clever and funny…
    All old testament
    Bible believing Christians believe everything old testament changed after the coming of Christ

  133. Maxhiii710 September 24, 2011 at 11:29 pm - Reply

    Why do internet Bible arguments always turn to homosexuality arguments. Clearly being gay is a choice since all animals live to reproduce. The KJV is not the most correct form of the bible, but translations come from the original text not the KJV or it would be a game of telephone. Also, people who say Christians are just believing what they are told to believe by society are probably just rebelling against said society and have never truly looked into Christianity themselves (and by that i mean actually talked to a learned Christian not just looked at websites or read 3 scripture verses). You cant take verses out of context and try to apply them to all arguments, but the Bible never contradicts itself. When you actually read the whole thing you will understand that.

  134. xylofyle September 25, 2011 at 9:36 pm - Reply

    after having read through many of these comments, i find people on the internet to be a little more argumentative than in person. i do not see enough references for the claims made. this is not a problem, but is time consuming if i try to look up many of the claims.

    the reason i am writing this comment is to direct some of you to the information provided in 4 books i have read. they are by a biblical scholar from cahpel hill, north carolina. his name is bart ehrman. the book title are: ‘misquoting jesus’, ‘jesus interrupted’, ‘forged writing in the name of god”‘, and ‘god’s problem’.

    these contain valid and truthful info and though i was an atheist before i read any of them, they were educational. for me they validated a great deal of what i was  not recommending these to convert or change anyone’s mind, just the need to have a clearer picture of the issue.  enjoy.

  135. Mattbrady September 27, 2011 at 3:23 am - Reply

    i think its sad how some people mindlessly bash religion. I’m Christian but I don’t go out of my way to bash other religions or atheists. I feel everyone must come to their own conclusions and if they happen to believe in God as i do then I’m happy. If not, I love them all the same. Like I support gay marriage because regardless what I think of homosexuality, the Bible also tells us to love each person and let God judge so I believe in affording equal rights to everyone. And I would never force my religion on someone as I feel if that happens then they do not really believe, but just say they do. And I want people to come to know God on their own and for real if they are going to.
     Now I know not all religious people may be as open minded as me but   I would just say that it is not religion that is inherently evil, but people who can twist religion to suit their needs. I believe that both sides should come to be more respectful of each other and while I know it can be hard when someone who opposes you speaks so forcefully sometimes but it is what I hope people would strive to do. But I definitely believe that the people of my religion should spend less time worrying about other people’s actions and perceived sins because not only does everyone sin, but as I said before, we are taught the God is the judge, NOT us.
     And as for those of you who say why even include the Old Testament if the New Testament overrules some of its laws, well its because there is still value in many of the stories regardless of the laws. Values that are not only important spiritually to Christians but to many other people as well such as do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I guess I would just ask that this become less of a dogmatic argument from both sides and more of a simple discussion where both people can be understanding of the other’s position. Especially when Atheism is in itself a belief system when you think about it as it is a lack of belief in religion. Just be careful of falling into the trap of judging and bashing other while you preach tolerance and open mindedness, no matter which side of this debate you fall on.

    Thank you for getting through all this if you took the time. I welcome responses and discussion if you want. if not, thanks anyways

  136. Amazingly Awesome Person September 27, 2011 at 6:42 pm - Reply

    I am truly not sure if I stumbledupon the argument or the picture, this happens much, much too often.

  137. Pieter Uithol September 28, 2011 at 1:46 am - Reply

    I like to keep a bible in my toilet.  It makes for amusing perusal and a bit of a giggle, but more importantly it comes in very handy in case the toilet paper runs out. 
    There is nothing in the scripture forbidding it…..  I don’t think.  Too bad if there is.   HA!!!

  138. Penner 15 September 28, 2011 at 8:07 pm - Reply

    if the bible was accurate then what hppened to the book of judas? oh thats right it was found un rightous, excluded in all reprints and all copies burned by the romans.

  139. Zeitgeist September 29, 2011 at 12:51 pm - Reply

    All religion is Astrological.. None of it was real it was a myth.. A myth is something that is false but is deeply believed by a large amount of people… Religion

  140. Anonymoose September 29, 2011 at 12:57 pm - Reply

    Leviticus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

    Leviticus 20:10 But the
    seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not
    do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor
    thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy

    Sunday, not Saturday, is the Sabbath day and therefore sir you are wrong about football on Saturdays.

  141. Flatulentmatt September 29, 2011 at 4:30 pm - Reply

    People who say the Old Testament is irrelevant are both correct and incorrect. The laws and such (like those posted in the picture above) were originally meant for the Jewish people. And the reason for a lot of those were for health and hygiene reasons (for example, the Jewish people through history have been less affected by pandemics). However, the reason the Old Testament is included in the Christian Bible is more to give us an account of what life was like under the Old Covenant, before the coming of Christ. The New Testament is what is relevant for us living day to day in the present, and some of what is in the Old Testament is covered by the New Covenant: for example, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and love your neighbour as yourself covers the 10 commandments, and are important tenets to apply in your life. Whereas don’t eat bacon is no longer relevant (thank the Lord!)

  142. Erick_hornsby September 29, 2011 at 5:50 pm - Reply

    Dude, who cares, just do what God has called you to do and follow the rules as best as you can. Simple as that, no one knows for sure what really went down back in the day, so why don’t you quit worrying about it and ask God when you get to heaven(:

  143. pppp October 2, 2011 at 4:48 pm - Reply

    this is a lot of bullshit, its just a way for people to justify doing something they know they shouldn’t. “ooh the bible says not to kill, well it also says you can’t shave your beard sooooo…..” see what i mean and i don’t support being gay. Not just from a religious point but because i just dont think its right morally. Sorry if you dont agree but i dont care

  144. Guest October 2, 2011 at 5:30 pm - Reply

    talk about taking things out of context

  145. Mr.Minton October 3, 2011 at 1:30 am - Reply

    The levitical and mosaic law were for the Israelites who were saved by following the law and sacrifices, we (and everyone today including the Israelites) however are now saved through grace because of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. To answer the question about God telling the Jews to kill people, the commandment that states “Thou shall not murder” is different than killing. Murder is pre-meditated and usually out of anger or revenge, but killing is not. Killing in war is not a sin because they left you with no choice but to protect your own life. God commanded them to kill those people because they would corrupt the Jews with their religion and wicked practices, this would interfere with His plan to redeem the human race and would doom it to sin forever. God always has a reason for what He does and just because you may not understand it or take it out of context you have no right to point fingers at it for being flawed. In case you didn’t realize Christians aren’t the only hypocrites. Look at yourself before you point fingers, or better yet try it for yourself. The Bible has not been changed considering we have 25,000 manuscripts to back it up from a variety of dates and locations and yet it remains the same as today. 25,000 is a number you can’t argue with. Everything you hear people say about the Bible isn’t true, that leaves you to study it and find the truth for yourself. Don’t let people feed you lies. The Bible is a collection of books which existed separately long before they were put together. The Bible was not written after the death of  Jesus, only the new testament. As I read these comments, I’m getting more and more concerned that some of you haven’t even read the Bible and yet are calling it “bullshit”, what reason of proof do you have for saying such a thing. Instead of reading what people have to say you are picking out a fault in their grammar and calling them names. Jesus never said anything about homosexuality, Jesus wasn’t here to tell people the law they should already know, He was here to die for you even though you mock Him and call Him a sinner. He loved you that much. God didn’t create homosexuals, He created straight men who had perverse thoughts that He had nothing to do with. He and I love all of you and I have said this not against you , but to help you see the beautiful truth and life that a relationship with God can only give. I can barely wait for people to tear this apart because I forgot a period and make arguments that have no factual backing whatsoever. I hope this helps someone. I am willing to talk to anyone about this if anyone has any questions. 

  146. Guest October 3, 2011 at 6:58 am - Reply

    Christians follow the New Testament…that’s why they’re called Christians. All of these things are from the Old Testament…#justsaying

    • Guest November 26, 2011 at 3:28 am - Reply

      Do you believe the Ten Commandments? The Creation Story? Noah’s Flood? Any or the prophecies? Guess what, that’s from the Old Testament, too.

  147. AnotherAdam October 3, 2011 at 5:10 pm - Reply

    It’s all about context. The Old Testament Law was given to Jews, but the purpose of this law was not to help people work their way to heaven. It was given by God to make sin known. Once an individual realizes that nothing they can do will ever make them good enough for God, he/she is on the right track. Paul wrote extensively about the Law and told the Jews of his day that their works (especially circumcision) will not save them. Faith in God’s promises saves an individual. Jesus Christ was and is the fulfillment of the OT Law. The law (the “rules” in the OT, not the OT itself) is no longer practiced, because the purpose of that law is fulfilled. The Old Testament is not worthless to modern Christians. The extensive rules in the OT cannon still show us that attaining holiness is impossible without Christ, and it is a historical record of the heritage of God’s people, a heritage that gentiles inherited through Jesus.

  148. Doesn't Care October 4, 2011 at 1:03 am - Reply

    i used to be baptist but now i’m wiccan… at least we believe in just ourselves and what we can do… and the only technical law we have is “an harm none” so you christians can go fuck yourselves

  149. Voutourpt October 4, 2011 at 10:04 pm - Reply

    When Christ came he fufilled the law, he embodied it, when he died he en essence “killed” the law and thus the new law was created…

  150. Supernibaho October 5, 2011 at 1:17 am - Reply

    I’m pretty ok with all of those things. lol
    However, a few of those things were for health reasons, and some for spiritual reasons. it all makes sense. except for the shaving. i don’t know about that, but if i didn’t have to shave i’d be ok with that.

  151. Musikingman October 5, 2011 at 9:21 am - Reply

    Read the new Testament too and stop being ignorant! 

  152. xylofyle October 9, 2011 at 10:11 pm - Reply

    many of the christians go onabout the”Law”. the bible is dated back @3500 years to roughly 1500 BCE. the largest law library from ancient history is the “code of hammurabi” dated back to over 1700 BCE. and there are references to laws further back in the past, which these laws are based on. biblical laws demonstrate a huge similarity to these laws. especiallly the ten commandments. it seems humans learned long before moses the need for rules in order for societies to function and continue. sadly, the bible has taken and mutated and arbitrarily these laws and adapted to suit that particular means of coercing obedience. even our laws today are based on the code of hammurabi. the problem is not outdated or obsolete laws but the bases for the way the law is worded and enforced. the biblical law did not allow for compassion or mercy or worst of all, personal freedoms were can lead to unheard of. i believe that a belief in an invisible sky wizard  will and does cause very atrocious actions to enforce the laws. we must realize, also in the past all societies pagan, heathen, jewish, or whatever were harsh and punitive.   

  153. dumbblonde October 10, 2011 at 3:53 am - Reply

    Why can’t we just let others believe what they want to and not be rude about it if we think otherwise of their beliefs. It’s called courtesy

    • xylofyle October 10, 2011 at 9:52 am - Reply

      then we should not lockup the delusional people who cannot distinguish reality from fantasy????? is this a subtle means of censorship? would this include religious people who try to tell me i should believe? how would this help solve the debate? its ok to have a different opinion as long as you keep it to you keep it to yourself does not make any sense.  if the belief system being discussed causes harm, be it through action or inaction, it is good to attempt to dismiss that belief.  all religion has been the cause of many evils in history.

    • Timothy Steele November 25, 2011 at 10:40 am - Reply

       because some beliefs are harmful to others. I refuse to ‘courtesly’ stand by while religion fucks shit up. what’s rude is mor(m)ons knocking on your door on saturday morning.

  154. Sillytrolleesaresilly October 10, 2011 at 11:30 am - Reply

    im quite certain that this picture was supposed to be for funsies. not religious profanity. congrats, almost everyone single one of you that has commented has officially been trolled.
    silly trollees are silly.

    • xylofyle October 10, 2011 at 8:52 pm - Reply

      of course the picture was making fun of religious beliefs. read the caption “poking fun at religion with a really big stick”. the fact is the pics inspire discussion, sadly some people do have a tendency to get over emtionally reactive. the fact is if a picture of the jawbone of an ass inspired this debate, it would not be trolling. open debate and discussion can teach and inform. do you think this is bad?

  155. crowtimecowpatty October 11, 2011 at 3:04 pm - Reply

    the bible sucks. believe what you want, but know your a fool for believing lies.

  156. 666lol666lol am i dead yet? October 16, 2011 at 8:03 pm - Reply

    God is not real and religion is bullshit. That’s why atheism is the only real religion/philosophy. To anyone that says god is real, prove it to me.

    • xylofyle October 23, 2011 at 8:26 pm - Reply

      atheism is not a religion, it is a philsophy.  since it is a lack of belief, it cannot be a religion. lack of belief is based on the lack of proof of an invisible sky wizard. religion is a belief based on faith–that is no empirical proof is used, just a suppostition and acceptance of what is stated is  used as proof. 

  157. Fdosifjk October 17, 2011 at 9:32 am - Reply

    forget u god is real

  158. Shyguy91 October 19, 2011 at 6:49 pm - Reply

    Angry comments as always. Surprise surprise. Admire what the fellow did and just get a laugh about it.

    • xylofyle October 23, 2011 at 8:32 pm - Reply

      a laugh is always good but the facts are religion has and still causes very much suffering and rrffible treatment of many, which is not a laughing matter. how far could science have advanced without the interference of religious fanatics and beliefs?   

  159. TalkSomeSense October 24, 2011 at 9:27 pm - Reply

    I gotta say, all of your comments are reaaaaally ignorant.  Everyone is arguing just to argue with NO FACT backing their statements at all. “Well actually…” “Well actually…” Dudes.  The Bible has been edited.  Not all Bibles floating around are though. A good portion? yeah. All? no. Have there been thousands of translations? Yes.  The fact of the matter is that the core message, regardless of the edit, is the same. So things in the Old Testament are weird, funny, crazy. It’s History. It’s allegories. Different authors have different writing styles. In history books, some people did come weird stuff that we dont do today, but the point is to teach where we came from, right? Right. Stop arguing.  Hypocrisy helps no one.

    • Timothy Steele November 25, 2011 at 10:36 am - Reply

      You do realize you are trying to rationalize with religion? Something that cannot be done to any degree of success. It you could rationalize with religious people, there would be no religious people.

  160. Magdalene October 25, 2011 at 10:44 pm - Reply

    WTF so if im on my periode people can’t talk to me! BOGAS!!!!

    • Timothy Steele November 25, 2011 at 10:34 am - Reply

      Personally i wouldn’t talk to you at any time. You’re ignorant. It’s spelled period, and the other word is bogus.

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  162. Nobody November 3, 2011 at 11:01 pm - Reply

    If you have taken high school science then it is quite obvious that the Bible is way of on a vast amount of things….many “religious” texts will contain information which, simply put is just wrong…. but if you use the bible to guide your life and you believe in a religion it’s my opinion you should take it for what it’s worth and apply it to your own life and your own situations… please don’t go to church and listen to and pay an “education on religion”…. If you truly believe in God you don’t need to spend your hard earned money at what is supposed to be simply a place of worship… If you believe then you should know God is perfect and he knows your a believer….  when it all comes down to it there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a god so everyone should stop freaking out about it… someday when humans destroy the earth that we live on (which we will) or we can no longer adapt to what we have, or our race is eliminated through physical, biological, or chemical means(which it will be… maybe tomorrow, maybe 4.5 billion years from now when the sun runs out of energy or any event in between) I am sure we are more vulnerable than most believe…. anyway we will all have to face some sort of fate at some point in life so live life while you can and live it how you want to live it…..I don’t think God cares if you swear at the dinner table next to your wife who is on your period and gossiping, while wearing your cotton/polyester blend shirt, and eating lobster and pork in front of a game of Saturday night football when your favorite team loses and you get a little food stuck in your beard…. just be happy

  163. 0mutemath0 November 7, 2011 at 3:30 pm - Reply

    thumbs up for idiots taking Scripture out of context

    • Timothy Steele November 25, 2011 at 10:30 am - Reply

      thumbs up for idiots, taking scripture seriously at all.

  164. Eliot Harris November 7, 2011 at 6:33 pm - Reply

    thats the law. as in JEWISH! christianity is not the law

  165. Chris November 14, 2011 at 11:32 pm - Reply

    i just went to try to see what this Elisabeth Shrack looked like on facebook just to put a face with such blind sheep mentality type of person. 
    do me a favor and watch religulous and try to disprove all the things you hear. at some point in your life you need to say, well sure, i was raised to believe everything my family/church told me….. but when i actually try to find something substantial to believe in, i come up short.  the bible was written years if not decades after jesus’ presence. so like mentioned before, its just a big clusterfuck of the old game, telephone. a guy i know, went to carpentry school, with a cousin of a friend who knew this old dude who knew jesus.  lol come on.
    so elizabeth, please go watch that movie, and ask yourself this… what if i was just raised from childhood (brainwashed) to believe everything i was told.  imagine all of us non-believers and how we think. then go and re-read allllll your comments and realize that you dont actually back up ANYTHING you say. you just spout off details youve picked up from the bible. but if you base ALL your beliefs on ONE book, which is tainted with human fallacies and errors, not to mention all the translation issues, then you sound ignorant.
    watch religulous then get back with me. id love to hear you defend yourself, and by that i mean refer back to this same ONE book written by man years after events occured. and remember that NO ONE involved in copying and passing down of the bible, would EVERRRR exaggurate or enhance the story just a bit. 
    please, please, pleaseeeee add me on facebook so we can have a conversation.
    Chris Bowser ,

  166. guest November 15, 2011 at 8:33 pm - Reply

    I question why a bunch of religious nuts get on a website that pokes fun at religion and tell them not to.  That is the equivalent of barging into somebody’s house while they are having sex with their unmarried partner and telling them not to do that.  Of course nobody would do that because it is a felony offense.

  167. Full Houseplc November 18, 2011 at 5:55 pm - Reply

    at least Christianity never persecuted  any none believer during the dark ages….at least they kept it real during the late 1400’s… ha ha ha

  168. Christxfollower November 24, 2011 at 9:21 pm - Reply

    That’s all Old Testament law. If you study out the Old and New Covenants, those are all the laws that they were required to sit under before the New Covenant was initiated by Christ’s death. To study the Bible is very interesting, but you have to understand things within context. Pulling verses outright like that doesn’t prove much of anything. But if you study the entire chapters, you’ll gain insight to more of the historical implications of the circumstances at that time in history. SO while all those religious, holier-than-thou types ARE obnoxious, this doesn’t really make a case against them because it is presently irrelevant in action. 

    • Timothy Steele November 25, 2011 at 10:42 am - Reply

       so you’re saying, that you keep the bits you like and discard those you don’t? so basically whatever suits your needs is the part that you should believe? or is it much simpler than that, and the reality is that ALL of it is bullshit, not just the parts you want to be real or not.

  169. Shaydinspires November 25, 2011 at 12:03 pm - Reply

    oh shut the fuckk uppp… You guys are waayyy to serious.. Its meant to be funny! not ripped apart by simple minded people that Obvsly have NO sense of humor.. Get lives people.

  170. Becca November 27, 2011 at 4:30 pm - Reply

     Isn’t religion fun? God wants men to be gay. Think I’m wrong? The male “G Spot” is in their ass. Jesus Christ wasn’t actually his name. Jesus is the Greek translation of Yeshua, which translates from Hebrew to Joshua. But his name wasn’t Josh Christ either, because his parents were not Joseph and Mary Christ. The Bible is not a liable source for information because it’s A BOOK! Harry Potter’s a book, does that mean that wizards are real? No. Does that mean that the works of Jane Austen, Oscar Wilde, William Shakespeare, or Edgar Allen Poe are real? No. Just because something is written down doesn’t make it real. Also, the first sexual thoughts you have are generally homosexual, because you know what YOU have. Everyone has at least ONE homosexual thought in their life, whether you know or admit it or not.


  171. Nikk81188 December 3, 2011 at 1:55 pm - Reply

    The Old Testament ‘s LAW is no longer relevant because the point of the law was to earn your place in Heaven by trying to atone for your sins through obedience. Since Jesus (the perfect being) was punished for us sucking at life, the law is no longer needed because you cannot EARN your way into Heaven anymore, Jesus did it for us. So, if you had read the New Testament at all before posting your terribly clever pic, you would know that Jesus abolished the Law and gave us only two commandments to follow:

    22:37-40; Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart
    and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and
    greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as
    yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    There are so many holes you can try to poke in the Bible, and you went for one that the Bible its self explains. You should probably know more about it before you start making your pseudo-intellectual observations. The Old Testament’s Law may be useless but its account of history and its stories serve a purpose and still need to be printed.

    P.S. While condemning homosexuality with the Old Testament is useless, there is scripture in the New Testament to condemn it: Romans 1:26-27 

    For this
    reason [idolatry] God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even
    their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to
    nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the
    female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males,
    committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense
    which was fitting for their error.

    • Paul O'Flaherty December 3, 2011 at 2:31 pm - Reply

      Jesus – “the perfect being”? So, temper-tantrum in the temple? Was able to turn water into wine but didn’t throw epic parties. Had the ability to heal the sick and raise the dead but didn’t set up a clinic and heal, well, everybody? And, worst of all, he apparently had a beard. Do you have any idea how many women find a beard terribly unattractive  A perfect being would never grow a beard…

    • Xylofyle December 4, 2011 at 9:05 pm - Reply

       the bible has so many of its own self created holes, yet so many christians will justify the Word by whatever irrational cognitive means available. both the new and old testament are contradictory to all that is preached.  if you had not skipped over: MATTHEW 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” you may have noted this contradiction or lie, depending on your perception.  

      the reality is, the stories in the bible were written to the people at the time of the writing, to try and preach the writers’ particular belief and do not foretell the future nor are they based on historical facts.

      the lack of reason and logic of believers enables them to think the magic written in the bible really happened. you most likely do not believe David Copperfield and other illusionists actually perform feats beyond the laws of physics, yet you may think some wondering semi nomadic desert man whose education only concerned how to maintain a subsistance living supposedly knew more about the world then we do today.

      i would say this is a lack of an intellectual process and by no means pseudo thinking.

      as for homosexuallity, i can only say it is not a choice for most people. no amount of preaching, exhorting, diminiative talk or the use of guilt can change the sexual orientation genetics has imbued us with.

  172. Fredrick York December 3, 2011 at 11:14 pm - Reply

    I have no problem with people believing whatever they want, the issue is when they try to tell me what to believe and what to do.  Christians can’t agree on doctrine.  Law should be based on logic, math, history, and consensus.  The worst laws in the world are based on religion.

  173. notyourmother December 5, 2011 at 12:43 pm - Reply

    the old testement was a set of guidlines for the JEWS to follow while in the desert.  They were told not to eat cloven footed animals because they carry diseases in the heat, and not to get tattoos in fear of infection. It also says in the bible “a man may not lay with another man”. as in, no man to man sex. says nothing about being gay. doesnt even MENTION lesbians whatsoever. Take a theology class or two in college. 

    • sucktackular December 15, 2011 at 12:50 pm - Reply

      College? I went to college. Did you? Your writing sure doesn’t reflect it. Thank you for your interpretation of fiction, though.

  174. Cswillum December 13, 2011 at 1:33 am - Reply

    I won’t lie when I said that I love my Religion (Catholicism); I know that there are, of course, many misgivings concerning the catholic church, as well as other denominations of christianity. However, I will not sit around and shove my beliefs down the throats of others, as I have seen in *some* of these comments. I have respect for all beliefs (except for fundamentalists who think I am going to hell). Whether you believe in God or not doesn’t really matter to me, as long as you don’t shove everything down my throat. Let’s try and be civil, shall we?

  175. Someguy December 13, 2011 at 11:26 pm - Reply

    625 comments? Best troll picture I’ve seen all day, and I love it.

    To posters: if you make a great point, and misspell a word, you’ve ruined your entire credibility….and you’re officially a jackass

    Also really like the religious guy who doesn’t bother to capitalize Jesus Christ.

  176. Jessieleflore December 15, 2011 at 7:48 am - Reply

    dont have no other lord beside god an do what right an pray

    • sucktackular December 15, 2011 at 12:48 pm - Reply

      Was that supposed to be a sentence? Wow…

  177. GaMzEe MaKaRa December 18, 2011 at 7:18 am - Reply

    The comments in the discussion are funnier than the picture itself.

  178. WoodGas1 December 24, 2011 at 1:53 am - Reply

    In the mid 300’s a gang of politicians got together and did a final edit. These books in, those books out, print the part about render unto Caesar in red. 
    If you can’t trust a gang of politicians, who can you trust?

  179. FUNNY CHRISTIAN:))))) December 25, 2011 at 5:26 pm - Reply

    I’m gonna take out parts of an theist book an piece them together and say “see you even said it right here!!!! look i found it, you said it!!!!”  here’s and excerpt from from an Atheist website “GOD is not real!!!!!”  a change or two… and….VOILA!!!! “GOD is real!!!!!” See I can take things out of context too.:) Merry Christmas peoples:)

  180. Bri_van54 December 26, 2011 at 9:58 pm - Reply

    This is so stupid. Humans do religion; He (God) doesn’t. You need to understand this: “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free John”. 8:32

  181. guest January 4, 2012 at 5:19 pm - Reply

    Except for Ephesians these are all teachings of the Law of Moses. If you were to read throught the New Testament we would find that Christ came to free the Jews from the law and redeem the Gentiles. So Christ came to set his followers free from a list of rules and regulations and gave them a new spirit which is pure and wishes to glorify God. The Holy Spirit was also given to counsel believers to do right instead of wrong. Ultimately the law shows that the human race needs a savior. 

  182. schied January 4, 2012 at 11:37 pm - Reply

    The bible is not the point. People who base their entire faith off of it are absentminded at best and make Christians look bad. I am a Christian and I don’t read the bible, though I’m confident I know far more about it than the common man, probably because it was crammed down my throat for years by the church, another HUGE problem with Christianity. What it comes down to is that there is no way to prove or to disprove my God or any God, Gods, flying spaghetti monsters, or whatever the case may be; that is why it is called faith and why the argument will continue ad infinitum if one should choose to argue. Athiests, I agree most Christians are complete morons when it comes to their own religion, simply repeating what they’ve been told without having any thought of their own. These people are the problem with religion today, ANY religion today, and should not represent all Christians. I for one am disgusted with what I see on the internet from “Christians” in general. Bible thumpers are the the absolute worst. And as far as basing arguments for peoples’ rights off of the bible, it’s total bullsh*t. Most laws written in it are designed for a society outdated by 2-5 thousand years and have no relevance in modern times, beyond that Jesus expressly denounces many of these laws Himself. It’s a book rife with contradiction. Almost any argument can be defended using the Bible. For example, gays can be gay; there is evidence in the New Testament that one of the disciples was gay and Jesus loved him anyway, as an all-forgiving God would. People need to stop relying on texts for their beliefs. Religion should come from within. What do YOU believe? I wish more Christians would ask themselves that instead of looking in a book to find out. 

  183. Realistic January 6, 2012 at 3:29 am - Reply

    people, religion is a big lie, so stop discussing about a book.

  184. Khenel January 14, 2012 at 7:42 am - Reply

    No one living today should be quoting the old testament as rules of living. Jesus, on the other hand was a just a cool guy who didnt judge anyone, helped whoever he could and said said stop being fucking dicks to each other! Your a scumbag hes a scumbag we’re all scumbags. LOVE! LOVE LOVE Thy Neighbor and thy enemy more. –He was the shit. He’d definitely say fuck the bible and stop worshiping me. Just live right mofos!

  185. Freebird1428 January 14, 2012 at 2:54 pm - Reply

    Supposedly I thought Jesus made a NEW covenant… These rules don’t apply to us…You have to keep reading further into the bible..

  186. Sofiecat300 January 14, 2012 at 9:04 pm - Reply

    wow this actually made me look up the bible passages. ahhaha :D

  187. His Noodliness January 24, 2012 at 9:27 pm - Reply


  188. 6-כוח January 29, 2012 at 2:56 pm - Reply

    אפתח את הפה במשלים, אני תביע דברים נסתרים מאז בריאת העולם, 78:2 מזמור 666 

    ישו דיבר כל הדברים האלה אל הקהל במשלים, הוא לא אמר להם שום דבר מבלי להשתמש במשל, מתיו 13:34

    וזה מתחיל עם משה וכל הנביאים, הוא הסביר להם מה שנאמר בכל כתבי הקודש בדבר עצמו, לוק 24:27

    דיון: מתיו 13:34 אומר שישוע “לא אמרתי כלום. . . ללא שימוש במשל. “כולנו יודעים כי המשל הוא סיפור פשוט, כי ניתן לקרוא בשתי רמות. משל הזורע, למשל, על איכר אשר זורע זרעים על סוגים שונים של אדמה. זה רמה אחת של המשל. ישו ואז מפרש את המשל אל אומר כי סוגים שונים של אדמה הדרכים השונות שאנשים יקבלו את תורת ישו “זורע”. זוהי המשמעות הסמלית של המשל. מתיו 13:34 אומר שהכל אמר ישוע היה משל. יכול להיות אותו דבר אמר התנ”ך כולו? מה אם כל התנ”ך היו משל? או דרך אחרת לראות את זה, מה אם המשמעות של התנ”ך נמצאת יותר תהודות מיתית, ופחות ההיסטוריות של זה? התנ”ך הוא עשיר בדימויים ארכיטיפי כמו אור וחושך, הרים ראש גילויים, במלחמה רוחנית, אילן היוחסין של המשפחה הקדושה, וטקסים של טוהר. מיתוס יכול לעזור לנו להבין את הקטע הבעייתי מאוד של לוק 24:27. הכותב הבשורה אומר כי ישוע הסביר כיצד “כל כתבי הקודש” דיבר על עצמו. הנצרות מכירה בכך תהילים מסוימים קטעים מסוימים ישעיהו להופיע לחזות את חייו של ישו למשימה. אבל מעבר לוק אומר כי “כל כתבי הקודש”, לא רק תהילים כמה פסוקים מישעיהו, לדבר על חייו של ישו. כך סיפור הבריאה, האבות, את הקורבנות, את הקרבות, המלכים, השושלות, הנביאים, כל הדברים האלה הם על חיי ישו, על פי לוקס 24:27. נקודה מאתגרת ביותר, באמת! אולי התיאולוג הגדול תומס אקווינס יכול לשפוך אור על המעבר הזה קשה. תומס אקווינס גורסת כי בתנ”ך ניתן להבין בשתי דרכים. דרך אחת היא המשמעות הפשוטה, המילולית של המילים, והשני הוא משמעות פיגורטיבית, סמלי המילים. “יוצר דברים. . . יכולים לא רק מסמלים דבר על ידי מילים, אבל יכול גם להפוך דבר אחד לסמל אחר. לכן כתבי הקודש מכילים את האמת כפולה, אחד טמון הדברים פירוש המילים בשימוש, כלומר את תחושת מילולי. אחר כך הדברים נעשים דמויות של דברים אחרים ועל זה כולל את תחושת הרוחניות. “הזה הוא בעצם מה הוא משל. זריעת זרעים לחקלאי הוא פשוטו של הסיפור; הקבלה של תורתו של ישו הוא חוש רוחני של הסיפור. תומס אקווינס טוען כי התנ”ך כולו הוא משל, עם מילולי ותחושה רוחנית. על מנת סיפורי התנ”ך להיות על ישו “בחיים, כמו לוק טוען, אז בטח יש להם משמעות אחרת שנמצאת מתחת במובן המילולי, כלומר מתאר ישו” החיים: תחושת הרוחני. תהילים 78 מציע את הנקודה הזו מאוד, “אני פותחת את הפה במשלים, אני תביע דברים נסתרים מאז בריאת העולם.” אלה “דברים נסתרים” הן במובן הפנימי של סיפורי התנ”ך, כי לדבר על חייו של ישו. תחושה זו הפנימית היא איכות סמלית של התנ”ך שבו הסיפורים הם תמונות על החיים הפנימיים והחיצוניים של ישו.

    ישו הוא אמר להיות מלא אדם מלא אלוהים. אז אנושיותו, הלך ישו דרך מעמקי מלא של החוויה האנושית. כלומר, הוא חווה הכל נהיה. לכן, כאשר הסמלים בתנ”ך לדבר על האנושות של ישוע, הם היו מדברים גם על החיים שלנו, הפנימיים והחיצוניים. לדברי החוקר הגדול של מיתוס, ד”ר ג’וזף קמפבל, דמות מיתית סמלים ושוב בשלבים גדולים של צמיחה, האדם המעבר מילדות לבגרות, למצוא מקום בתוך שבט או עיר מודרנית, התלכדות עם אדם אחר ביחסים אינטימיים כגון נישואין, במבט לאחור על החיים בגיל מבוגר, להבין את המשמעות של מוות. אלה קטעים מאוד לערב את עצמי כולו, כולל רגשות, הבנה מודעת, תת מודעת אינטואיציות, מחשבות על הנצח, תפיסות של אינסוף בעיות הבורא המתעלים שפת השיח. כדי לדבר אל האדם השלם, מיתוס משתמשת בשפה מורכבת של סמלים כמו חלומות, אשר מתווכים חיים מודע, להעיר, עם תנועות רגשית תת מודע להיותו כולו שלנו.

    מובן כמערכת של סמלים מיתיים, התנ”ך יהיה בהריון עם משמעות רוחנית, כלומר, הרבה הרבה יותר מאשר אם היינו מוצאים את סיפורי התנ”ך הם הבינו רק כעובדות היסטוריות. אז את הפרטים ההיסטוריים בתנ”ך, רשימות יוחסין, מלכי שונים, כל אלה קרבות עקובים מדם, וכל טבח שבטי המזרח הקדום, כל אלה פרטים היסטוריים לכאורה, ולמעשה, התנהגות ברברית, היה להיות סמלים מיתיים כי לדבר עם התקדמות רוחנית הפנימי שלנו. התנ”ך, אם כן, לא בעימות עם המדע, שכן המשמעות הרוחנית של התנ”ך הוא בשפה מיתית, לא עובדה היסטורית (אם כי המדע הוכיח כי הרבה מן הסיפורים ההיסטוריים בתנ”ך יש בסיס בהיסטוריה המתועדת). עבור התנ”ך כולו יש משמעות רוחנית, זה היה צריך לדבר כל ההיבטים של הנפש המתפתח. וכדי לעשות זאת, הכתובים יש חוש רוחני מורכב של סמלים מיתיים. Nay nay shi colova hisss holocah dos an SATIN se DEMON ESO. 666

  189. Jacobgilbert123 January 29, 2012 at 2:58 pm - Reply

    אפתח את הפה במשלים, אני תביע דברים נסתרים מאז בריאת העולם,sah ash 78:2sea  

    ישו דיבר כל הדברים האלה אל הקהל במשלים, הוא לא אמר להם שום דבר מבלי להשתמש במשל, מתיו 13:34

    וזה מתחיל עם משה וכל הנביאים, הוא הסביר להם מה שנאמר בכל כתבי הקודש בדבר עצמו, לוק 24:27

    דיון: מתיו 13:34 אומר שישוע “לא אמרתי כלום. . . ללא שימוש במשל. “כולנו יודעים כי המשל הוא סיפור פשוט, כי ניתן לקרוא בשתי רמות. משל הזורע, למשל, על איכר אשר זורע זרעים על סוגים שונים של אדמה. זה רמה אחת של המשל. ישו ואז מפרש את המשל אל אומר כי סוגים שונים של אדמה הדרכים השונות שאנשים יקבלו את תורת ישו “זורע”. זוהי המשמעות הסמלית של המשל. מתיו 13:34 אומר שהכל אמר ישוע היה משל. יכול להיות אותו דבר אמר התנ”ך כולו? מה אם כל התנ”ך היו משל? או דרך אחרת לראות את זה, מה אם המשמעות של התנ”ך נמצאת יותר תהודות מיתית, ופחות ההיסטוריות של זה? התנ”ך הוא עשיר בדימויים ארכיטיפי כמו אור וחושך, הרים ראש גילויים, במלחמה רוחנית, אילן היוחסין של המשפחה הקדושה, וטקסים של טוהר. מיתוס יכול לעזור לנו להבין את הקטע הבעייתי מאוד של לוק 24:27. הכותב הבשורה אומר כי ישוע הסביר כיצד “כל כתבי הקודש” דיבר על עצמו. הנצרות מכירה בכך תהילים מסוימים קטעים מסוימים ישעיהו להופיע לחזות את חייו של ישו למשימה. אבל מעבר לוק אומר כי “כל כתבי הקודש”, לא רק תהילים כמה פסוקים מישעיהו, לדבר על חייו של ישו. כך סיפור הבריאה, האבות, את הקורבנות, את הקרבות, המלכים, השושלות, הנביאים, כל הדברים האלה הם על חיי ישו, על פי לוקס 24:27. נקודה מאתגרת ביותר, באמת! אולי התיאולוג הגדול תומס אקווינס יכול לשפוך אור על המעבר הזה קשה. תומס אקווינס גורסת כי בתנ”ך ניתן להבין בשתי דרכים. דרך אחת היא המשמעות הפשוטה, המילולית של המילים, והשני הוא משמעות פיגורטיבית, סמלי המילים. “יוצר דברים. . . יכולים לא רק מסמלים דבר על ידי מילים, אבל יכול גם להפוך דבר אחד לסמל אחר. לכן כתבי הקודש מכילים את האמת כפולה, אחד טמון הדברים פירוש המילים בשימוש, כלומר את תחושת מילולי. אחר כך הדברים נעשים דמויות של דברים אחרים ועל זה כולל את תחושת הרוחניות. “הזה הוא בעצם מה הוא משל. זריעת זרעים לחקלאי הוא פשוטו של הסיפור; הקבלה של תורתו של ישו הוא חוש רוחני של הסיפור. תומס אקווינס טוען כי התנ”ך כולו הוא משל, עם מילולי ותחושה רוחנית. על מנת סיפורי התנ”ך להיות על ישו “בחיים, כמו לוק טוען, אז בטח יש להם משמעות אחרת שנמצאת מתחת במובן המילולי, כלומר מתאר ישו” החיים: תחושת הרוחני. תהילים 78 מציע את הנקודה הזו מאוד, “אני פותחת את הפה במשלים, אני תביע דברים נסתרים מאז בריאת העולם.” אלה “דברים נסתרים” הן במובן הפנימי של סיפורי התנ”ך, כי לדבר על חייו של ישו. תחושה זו הפנימית היא איכות סמלית של התנ”ך שבו הסיפורים הם תמונות על החיים הפנימיים והחיצוניים של ישו.

    ישו הוא אמר להיות מלא אדם מלא אלוהים. אז אנושיותו, הלך ישו דרך מעמקי מלא של החוויה האנושית. כלומר, הוא חווה הכל נהיה. לכן, כאשר הסמלים בתנ”ך לדבר על האנושות של ישוע, הם היו מדברים גם על החיים שלנו, הפנימיים והחיצוניים. לדברי החוקר הגדול של מיתוס, ד”ר ג’וזף קמפבל, דמות מיתית סמלים ושוב בשלבים גדולים של צמיחה, האדם המעבר מילדות לבגרות, למצוא מקום בתוך שבט או עיר מודרנית, התלכדות עם אדם אחר ביחסים אינטימיים כגון נישואין, במבט לאחור על החיים בגיל מבוגר, להבין את המשמעות של מוות. אלה קטעים מאוד לערב את עצמי כולו, כולל רגשות, הבנה מודעת, תת מודעת אינטואיציות, מחשבות על הנצח, תפיסות של אינסוף בעיות הבורא המתעלים שפת השיח. כדי לדבר אל האדם השלם, מיתוס משתמשת בשפה מורכבת של סמלים כמו חלומות, אשר מתווכים חיים מודע, להעיר, עם תנועות רגשית תת מודע להיותו כולו שלנו.

    מובן כמערכת של סמלים מיתיים, התנ”ך יהיה בהריון עם משמעות רוחנית, כלומר, הרבה הרבה יותר מאשר אם היינו מוצאים את סיפורי התנ”ך הם הבינו רק כעובדות היסטוריות. אז את הפרטים ההיסטוריים בתנ”ך, רשימות יוחסין, מלכי שונים, כל אלה קרבות עקובים מדם, וכל טבח שבטי המזרח הקדום, כל אלה פרטים היסטוריים לכאורה, ולמעשה, התנהגות ברברית, היה להיות סמלים מיתיים כי לדבר עם התקדמות רוחנית הפנימי שלנו. התנ”ך, אם כן, לא בעימות עם המדע, שכן המשמעות הרוחנית של התנ”ך הוא בשפה מיתית, לא עובדה היסטורית (אם כי המדע הוכיח כי הרבה מן הסיפורים ההיסטוריים בתנ”ך יש בסיס בהיסטוריה המתועדת). עבור התנ”ך כולו יש משמעות רוחנית, זה היה צריך לדבר כל ההיבטים של הנפש המתפתח. וכדי לעשות זאת, הכתובים יש חוש רוחני מורכב של סמלים מיתיים. Nay nay shi colova hisss holocah dos an SATIN se DEMON ESO. 666.

  190. Jacobgilbert123 January 29, 2012 at 3:23 pm - Reply

    (English ver: of the 666 un undisevon Band BIBLE) I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world—Psalm 78:2

    Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable—Matthew 13:34

    And beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the scriptures concerning himself—Luke 24:27

    Discussion: Matthew 13:34 says that Jesus “did not say anything . . . without using a parable.” We all know that a parable is a simple story that can be read on two levels. The parable of the sower, for instance, is about a farmer who sows seeds on different types of soil. That’s one level of the parable. Jesus then interprets the parable to mean that the different types of soil are the different ways that people will receive the teachings that Jesus “sows.” That is the symbolic meaning of the parable. Matthew 13:34 says that everything Jesus said was a parable. Can the same be said of the whole Bible? What if the whole Bible were a parable? Or another way to see it, what if the meaning of the Bible is found more in mythic resonances, and less in the historicity of it? The Bible is rich with archetypical imagery such as light and darkness, mountain-top revelations, spiritual warfare, sacred genealogies, and rituals of purity. Myth can help us understand the very problematic passage of Luke 24:27. The Gospel writer says that Jesus explained how “all the scriptures” talked about himself. Christianity recognizes that certain Psalms and certain passages in Isaiah appear to predict Christ’s life and mission. But the Luke passage says that “all the scriptures”—not just a few Psalms and passages from Isaiah—speak about Christ’s life. Thus the creation story, the patriarchs, the sacrifices, the battles, the kings, the genealogies, the prophets—all these things are about Jesus’ life, according to Luke 24:27. A most challenging point, indeed! Perhaps the great theologian Thomas Aquinas can shed light on this difficult passage. Thomas Aquinas holds that the Bible can be understood in two ways. One way is the plain, literal meaning of the words; the other is a figurative, symbolic meaning for the words. “The creator of things . . . cannot only signify anything by words, but can also make one thing signify another. That is why the scriptures contain a two-fold truth, one lies in the things meant by the words used—that is the literal sense. The other in the way things become figures of other things and in this consists the spiritual sense.” This is essentially what a parable is. The farmer sowing seeds is the literal sense of the story; the reception of Christ’s teachings is the spiritual sense of the story. Thomas Aquinas asserts that the whole Bible is a parable, with a literal and a spiritual sense. In order for the Old Testament stories to be about Jesus’ life, as Luke asserts, then they must have another meaning that lies beneath the literal sense, a meaning that describes Jesus’ life: its spiritual sense. Psalm 78 suggests this very point, “I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.” Those “hidden things” are the inner sense of the Bible stories that talk about the life of Jesus. This inner sense is the Bible’s symbolic quality in which the stories are images about the inner and outer life of Jesus.

    Jesus is said to be fully man and fully God. So in his humanity, Jesus went through the full depths of human experience. That means that he experienced everything we will. So when the symbols in the Bible speak about Jesus’ humanity, they would also speak about our own inner and outer life. According to the great scholar of myth, Dr. Joseph Campbell, mythic symbols image forth the great stages of human growth—the transition from childhood to adulthood, finding a place in the tribe or modern city, conjoining with another person in intimate relationships such as marriage, looking back on life in old age, understanding the meaning of death. These great passages involve the whole self, including emotions, conscious understanding, sub-conscious intuitions, thoughts about eternity, conceptions of the infinite Creator—issues that transcend discursive language. In order to speak to the whole person, myth uses a language composed of symbols much like dreams, which mediate conscious, waking life, with the emotional and sub-conscious movements of our whole being.

    Understood as a set of mythic symbols, the Bible would be pregnant with spiritual meaning—much, much more meaning than we would find if the Bible stories are understood merely as historical facts. So the historical details in the Old Testament, the lists of genealogies, the different kings, all those bloody battles, and all the slaughter of tribes in the ancient near east, all these apparently historical details, and, in fact, barbaric behaviors, would be mythic symbols that speak to our inner spiritual progress. The Bible, then, is not in conflict with science, since the Bible’s spiritual meaning is in mythic language, not historical fact (though science has shown that much of the historical stories in the Bible have a basis in recorded history). For the whole Bible to have spiritual meaning, it would need to speak to all the aspects of the developing soul. And to do this, the Bible has a spiritual sense comprised of mythic( Blocked book of the Bible symbols. 6.66)  Then as so as we call Satin can only be killed by 7 holy dagers, as tiy say as the star will be reavellinded unto the heart of Satin and so on overed powerd by GOD!, like as in Miak’-vich OVER POWERD, and the long lasted seven year war will end. And the world will be remade and in onto the unworldly, Heaven and Earth will be in peace forever more again. Amen

  191. Jacobgilbert123 January 29, 2012 at 3:24 pm - Reply

    (English ver: of the 666 un undisevon Band BIBLE) I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world—Psalm 78:2

    Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable—Matthew 13:34

    And beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the scriptures concerning himself—Luke 24:27

    Discussion: Matthew 13:34 says that Jesus “did not say anything . . . without using a parable.” We all know that a parable is a simple story that can be read on two levels. The parable of the sower, for instance, is about a farmer who sows seeds on different types of soil. That’s one level of the parable. Jesus then interprets the parable to mean that the different types of soil are the different ways that people will receive the teachings that Jesus “sows.” That is the symbolic meaning of the parable. Matthew 13:34 says that everything Jesus said was a parable. Can the same be said of the whole Bible? What if the whole Bible were a parable? Or another way to see it, what if the meaning of the Bible is found more in mythic resonances, and less in the historicity of it? The Bible is rich with archetypical imagery such as light and darkness, mountain-top revelations, spiritual warfare, sacred genealogies, and rituals of purity. Myth can help us understand the very problematic passage of Luke 24:27. The Gospel writer says that Jesus explained how “all the scriptures” talked about himself. Christianity recognizes that certain Psalms and certain passages in Isaiah appear to predict Christ’s life and mission. But the Luke passage says that “all the scriptures”—not just a few Psalms and passages from Isaiah—speak about Christ’s life. Thus the creation story, the patriarchs, the sacrifices, the battles, the kings, the genealogies, the prophets—all these things are about Jesus’ life, according to Luke 24:27. A most challenging point, indeed! Perhaps the great theologian Thomas Aquinas can shed light on this difficult passage. Thomas Aquinas holds that the Bible can be understood in two ways. One way is the plain, literal meaning of the words; the other is a figurative, symbolic meaning for the words. “The creator of things . . . cannot only signify anything by words, but can also make one thing signify another. That is why the scriptures contain a two-fold truth, one lies in the things meant by the words used—that is the literal sense. The other in the way things become figures of other things and in this consists the spiritual sense.” This is essentially what a parable is. The farmer sowing seeds is the literal sense of the story; the reception of Christ’s teachings is the spiritual sense of the story. Thomas Aquinas asserts that the whole Bible is a parable, with a literal and a spiritual sense. In order for the Old Testament stories to be about Jesus’ life, as Luke asserts, then they must have another meaning that lies beneath the literal sense, a meaning that describes Jesus’ life: its spiritual sense. Psalm 78 suggests this very point, “I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.” Those “hidden things” are the inner sense of the Bible stories that talk about the life of Jesus. This inner sense is the Bible’s symbolic quality in which the stories are images about the inner and outer life of Jesus.

    Jesus is said to be fully man and fully God. So in his humanity, Jesus went through the full depths of human experience. That means that he experienced everything we will. So when the symbols in the Bible speak about Jesus’ humanity, they would also speak about our own inner and outer life. According to the great scholar of myth, Dr. Joseph Campbell, mythic symbols image forth the great stages of human growth—the transition from childhood to adulthood, finding a place in the tribe or modern city, conjoining with another person in intimate relationships such as marriage, looking back on life in old age, understanding the meaning of death. These great passages involve the whole self, including emotions, conscious understanding, sub-conscious intuitions, thoughts about eternity, conceptions of the infinite Creator—issues that transcend discursive language. In order to speak to the whole person, myth uses a language composed of symbols much like dreams, which mediate conscious, waking life, with the emotional and sub-conscious movements of our whole being.

    Understood as a set of mythic symbols, the Bible would be pregnant with spiritual meaning—much, much more meaning than we would find if the Bible stories are understood merely as historical facts. So the historical details in the Old Testament, the lists of genealogies, the different kings, all those bloody battles, and all the slaughter of tribes in the ancient near east, all these apparently historical details, and, in fact, barbaric behaviors, would be mythic symbols that speak to our inner spiritual progress. The Bible, then, is not in conflict with science, since the Bible’s spiritual meaning is in mythic language, not historical fact (though science has shown that much of the historical stories in the Bible have a basis in recorded history). For the whole Bible to have spiritual meaning, it would need to speak to all the aspects of the developing soul. And to do this, the Bible has a spiritual sense comprised of mythic( Blocked book of the Bible symbols. 6.66)  Then as so as we call Satin can only be killed by 7 holy dagers, as tiy say as the star will be reavellinded unto the heart of Satin and so on overed powerd by GOD!, like as in Miak’-vich OVER POWERD, and the long lasted seven year war will end. And the world will be remade and in onto the unworldly, Heaven and Earth will be in peace forever more again. Amen

  192. Jacobgilbert123 January 29, 2012 at 3:29 pm - Reply

    I heard you sir, are an imbecile’s. comment so I translated it for you all.

  193. H January 29, 2012 at 5:41 pm - Reply

    Shaving with a razor is not allowed. You can use a machine. It’s you can’t have SEX with a menstarting woman…husbands don’t just ignore their wives for a week, they just can’t sleep with them

  194. Twat January 29, 2012 at 8:22 pm - Reply


    I feel like I’m yelling food fight.

  195. Dffff February 4, 2012 at 3:59 am - Reply

    jesus……what a cowardly loser cunt

  196. Kurtis February 4, 2012 at 5:10 am - Reply

    //how the fuck did I get here

  197. T R February 9, 2012 at 10:20 am - Reply

    It’s stupid that people get so bent about religion…who the fuck cares as long as their shit is not being thrown in my face. I don’t need religion to tell me how to be, act or conduct my life. I know I am a good person anf most evil is done by people of religion.

  198. Mickmeistersk8 February 21, 2012 at 11:00 am - Reply

    If the bible is so stupid, and un true, why are so many of you making such valiant efforts to dis approve it? Why isn’t efforts made to analyze Islam or Bhuddism and bash it? The bible shows us the truth and the truth is said to hurt, and out of defense of your hurt, you bash and disprove the word of God.

    • FuzzyBear May 16, 2012 at 12:16 pm - Reply

      Because the Buddhists aren’t trying to make laws that impact the world.  When was the last time you heard about a Buddhist *insisting* that everyone be a vegetarian just because they are?  

  199. Coryslilwoman13 February 26, 2012 at 8:28 pm - Reply

    Religion Is crap. Your arguing about a fairy tale. When you die your just dead.

  200. Suetusor March 1, 2012 at 1:34 pm - Reply

    Obviousley you don’t understand the difference between the old covenant and the new, law and grace do you? Why mock what you don’t understand? None of those things are forbidden for Christians under the new covenant apart from cursing but they were for Jews under the law of Moses. We are Christians under the new covenant of Christ we are not Jews under Moses, do you get it now?  Can you guess why we Christians don’t sacrifice animals for a sin offering anymore? yes that’s right, we are NOT Jews under Moses and the law, but Christians under Christ in the NEW covenant.

  201. Ashley Meyer March 21, 2012 at 9:47 pm - Reply

    Hey, guess what guys… Jesus died for our sins.  Whether it is adultery, homosexuality, or theft, as long as you repent and accept God, you are saved.  Have none of you heard the story about the two men who were crucified with Jesus?  One did not accept that he was the son of God, but the other did.  The one who did was saved, despite his sins.

    I’m not saying that you should do whatever you want.  You should still stay within the law, your own moral code, and, especially if you are religious, attempt to stay within what God says.

    I am trying to stay as impartial about the issues so I don’t start cursing you all out, but this is what I believe all around.  There was a reason Jesus let himself be crucified, and this was it.

  202. Charl Van Der Merwe March 30, 2012 at 6:34 am - Reply

    Oh yea, that’s my favourite excuse “Taking it out of context” Lol, you have to be the biggest gullible fool to actually believe these excuses.

    Shame, they like sheep…Baaaaaaaaaaaahhhh~!!

  203. Taberm2000 March 30, 2012 at 10:20 am - Reply

    There is a VERY simple way of looking at this issue. The bible isn’t complicated or contradictory if you simply view it in terms of LAWS, and  rules. The ten commandments are LAWS given directly from GOD, the mosaic law is a list of rules and regulations, designed to set the Israelite apart from the people of the lands they were entering. One can say that obeying the LAW of GOD, constitutes holiness. The rules of Moses constitute the covenants of a society. As an example, if you buy a condominium, it is built according to certain laws that assure its structural integrity, but in BUYING a condominium, you agree to live by the covenants of that same community. If you sell that condo and move to another one, you are no longer bound by those rules, however, the laws for that building did NOT change. The 10 commandments(LAWS), given by God, are eternal, they existed before Moses and after, but the levitical rules, were only made for the israelite and those who dwelled within Israel in order to hold them apart. The LAW is eternal, the rules change. This is why the so called “bible thumpers”, are so terribly misled. They do not distinguish between the LAWS of GOD, and the rules of men. Jesus commanded his followers to live by only two commandmenst, Love God, and love your neighbor, because he said, all the other commandments were built on those two. To try and pick and choose from the mosaic code (rules), just what you want to follow, is blasphemous. The mosaic code died with Jesus on the cross, symbolized by the rending of the curtain in the temple. The LAW (the structure of the temple) remained intact.

  204. מדיטציה April 16, 2012 at 1:24 pm - Reply

    Shaving is only forbidden with knife

    • Pitchy May 9, 2012 at 7:38 am - Reply

      because shaving with a spoon is so much easier

  205. Erodgnj May 5, 2012 at 1:59 pm - Reply

    The Bible Is stupid

  206. Williamstowe4 June 1, 2012 at 8:25 pm - Reply

    My brothers as it is written only use words to build each other up,
    Yes that is old testament and Jesus him self said he has brought a new law
    Naw gay marriage is yes a son but yelling pastors isn’t what this world needs, it needs true followers of Christ .

    Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ. (1 Corinthians 11:1 NIV)
    Now that means loving and restoring others gently do ad Christ would

  207. lili June 28, 2012 at 2:48 am - Reply

    Interesting to find that everyone is now turning the bible to suit him or her! You know what? No matter how you disprove it? Those are still the instructions from the Father. that we are not keeping it doesn’t make it ineffective, apart from the law of sacrifice which Jesus fulfilled by His own blood, every other law remains as it is, and nobody can contend that!!!

  208. Leviticus July 1, 2012 at 5:23 pm - Reply

    The New Testament is there to hide the fucked up things about the Bible.
    It’s all bullshit really.

  209. scott July 16, 2012 at 4:45 pm - Reply

    why is there and old testament and a new testament? why is it that some one decided the old testament wasn’t good enough that they had to rewrite it in there own words? if it was gods word 2000 years ago it should be gods word today. christianity is the biggest bunch of bullshit on the planet, its all has to do with politics and money.

  210. WWJD July 27, 2012 at 9:16 pm - Reply

    While in the flesh, you may choose to not agree with the Bible or God’s word. One day when we pass on, EVERYONE will be forced to agree with God and the consequences of their decision. As a Christian, I am at peace with my decision to follow Christ.

    • Paul O'Flaherty July 28, 2012 at 8:27 am - Reply

      The very fact that you had to use the word “forced” says a lot about the nature of religious people.

  211. Rocky Severino August 6, 2012 at 1:38 pm - Reply

    I know what’s in the Bible, i read it every day including the Old Testament. the central message is God’s Love. Sidelined to that is our propensity to be super sucky to one another, and how He’s found a way to forgive us and so on. Most of you know the story, Christ died and if you accept Him you have eternal life. He couldn’t have made it any simpler and it’s up to you what to do with your Maker’s Son. All this other stuff was there to show us that we literally couldn’t be good enough to be perfect in God’s eyes. Which it also says in the Bible. The Law (The Mosaic Law) was nailed to the cross and died along with Christ. So we live under the law of liberty, or the law of love, which is far stricter. Now, understanding God more fully, i can’t just not murder, i can’t even think negatively about you, for that is equal to murder in God’s eyes. I can’t not be an adulterer, even to think of a random woman with lust in my heart is adultery. God’s standards are just that high. And none of us come close, but that’s not what we focus on, that’s the condemnation that keeps us bound in our misery, but conviction comes from The Holy Spirit and from conviction comes freedom in Christ Jesus who died so that all men could have life, and that life more abundantly. Thank you, Jesus.

  212. Robert August 29, 2012 at 2:07 am - Reply

    Repent from all your sins, we must ask GOD for forgiveness in the name of Jesus Christ Amen. Ask for the holy spirit to take everything out of your heart, mind and soul that does not belong in it because we know not what we do, since he is all powerful, all knowing and all loving then he will help you, right? he is perfect the Beginning and the End. He can guide you and help understand what he wants, worrying only about today and not tomorrow because he says “is it not enough with today’s worries.”

    The first book i read in the bible was Psalms then Proverbs the New Testament and i would randomly open the bible, i always prayed before i ever opened his scriptures so make sure to always ask him. You might say im crazy but when i randomly open the bible it was because i had a question i wanted an answer for and poof! its like he answered me thru his scriptures, always with strong faith i asked i didnt just ask i mean i asked him with true faith knowing he would answer me, this 1 time i asked him what did he wanted me to do (this was before i had read the New testament) because i didnt know what he wanted me to do and when i open it, it open on Ezequiel 2;1 and i read chapter thru chapter it was very strong the hold i felt over me because i could not stop reading it until ch 7 i stop a little bit after that because i couldn’t take it what it was telling me it was to much…

    Learning how to pray its in Matthews 6:5-18
    Pray to him(talk to him) for the good and for the bad meaning, talk to him like a friend, parent, spouse, shrink all those and more because he wants us to come to him for everything, he wants us to depend in him and only him, he wants us to be thankful with what he gives us, a roof over our heads, FOOD and for having life not the money or materials because he has a home for us those that truly want to follow him and love him

    Read all of his Scriptures and Always Pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you, ask for understanding and for guidance in it. Pray in the morning thanking him for another day of life and every night asking for forgiveness for whatever sins we may have committed throughout the day because we are not Perfect Not even 1, Jesus said. Also staying in Contact with the Father(God) like Jesus(The SON) did, he spent a lot of time speaking with God and in his mind always asking for guidance for the day. When Jesus Performed certain miracles he would say “I’ve always knew you could hear me” or something like that aloud so that the multitudes around would hear and believe in him, GOD the Father. Even though he had already ask for the miracle before hand. Jesus always claimed him so that we may believe. Also if you Believe in the Father(GOD) then You Believe in the Son(JESUS CHRIST) and The Holy Spirit Because Jesus said “I’m Not Leaving You Alone I will leave you the Holy Spirit”

    In Faith we follow him, he said blessed are those who follow me even though they cannot see me for you have seen me and believed in me, Jesus says this to the apostles because they have seen him and those in those times performing miracles “If you Love me”, said JC(Jesus Christ) “then you will follow my commandments” which is the greatest commandment of all they ask JC. Love thy God with all thy Mind, Heart, And Soul and the second he added is to love 1 another like thy self, he finishes by saying that this covers all the commandments Love God covers commandment 1-4 and 5-10 for loving 1 another like thy self.

    I could keep writing but I don’t feel it necessary because its pretty much summed up, yeah right im going to keep writing my experience with GOD

    if we want to understand the scriptures and know the truth only GOD can give it to you not me or any other man but only the creator of everything You Know the “all spark” sorry about quoting transformers and everything else that follows but if you haven’t notice all super heroes seem to originate from the bible like the biggest example Dragon ball Z Goku the Father(GOD) and Gohan(theSON) and how Goku Dies but His Spirit still Helps Gohan Defeat Cell the (HOLY SPIRIT) i know its not exactly like the bible but i hoope you understand my point i hope.

    They are just thing i started to notice but ignored as I grew up im 27 now and about 3 months ago I Saw the LIGHT out in the Universe I had my Last Drink my Last Smoke of Marijuana and my Last Cigarette when my heart was pounding so hard it felt like it want it to explode out of my chest so i began to pray to God asking him to just let me sleep that all i want it to do was to sleep and poof all i c is darkness my life flashes before me all the bad i have done all the bad i have been then i felt my soul drawn out of my body and out into the universe this beautiful white bright lite (God because every1 who dies his soul is given back to the 1 who gave it GOD) and as i was getting closer and closer i felt happy peaceful but then my soul was pushed back into my body and i rise with a deep breath like as if i was given life again and my moms bible was next to me not that it suddenly appeared there but its always been there all dusty and i haven’t let it go and haven’t touch a drink or anything else since then. Just to let you know I was praying to God whenever i remembered lol cuz we r not perfect for years i prayed for him to changed me because i could not do it by myself but that with him i could and finally 1 of my last prayers was that if he was truly real he would show me that he was real and that he would change my life and he answered all those prayers I didnt listen tho and got a DUI didnt listen then either finally had my last everything and only in death can he show you he is real, that doesnt mean you should do the same its just i had my reasons for my addictions but thats between me and the lord hehe, im not going to any church i have been asking GOD directly to find me 1 that he approves of. Leaving everything in his hands and he can change your life like he has for me.

    Sorry for misspellings and all those commas im not to literate hehe by the way i was an addict for about 8 years with alot of things i only mentioned 3 i say addiction because it was every day i couldnt live without it any of it. i felt sad whenever i was runnig low on anything like depress sad and i would never have money in my pockets because it all went to my addictions i hardly ate if ate anything it was at parties cuz there was food there hehe luckuly god always had food and a roof over my head and i did work hard for my addiction i didnt go out to stealing or anything thank GOD he kept me safe even tho i was harming my self pretty bad now my body and organs ache im pretty sure they had been for a while but since i was always high and drunk and smoking cigs and ibubrofens and excedrins its like i had numb my body.

  213. Cruitneach September 23, 2012 at 3:47 pm - Reply

    Everyones got one and they just cant keep it shut. I see hundreds of people saying things they can neither prove nor disprove for the sake of hearing their own voice; all experts. I think I’m going to be sick, we don’t stand a hope. Spitefull egotistical self inflated creatures.

  214. joesmith October 7, 2012 at 11:25 am - Reply

    Your all going to hell. Don’t you know the only true word is the Book of Mormon!! Once Romney is elected you’ll all find out!

  215. The Truth November 5, 2012 at 10:16 am - Reply

    The Old Testament itself is relevant. it shows us characteristics of God and His interactions with the people. We can learn a lot from the OT if we want to, but most people just want to tear it apart with out even the slightest concern of what it really says.
    It tells us God is God of love and a just God. It also tells us that He is a wrathful God and jealous for us. The OT accounts are a great way to know who God is and what He is willing to do for His people.
    We know from Adam that we aren’t suppose to disobey God. We know from Abraham to live by faith and God will take care of us. We know from Moses that pray is a powerful thing. We know from David that, even though we screw up, we can still seek God and His goodness. The OT is relevant for us to learn from.
    It’s best to establish a difference between the Old Testament and the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses is a part of the Old Testament. To say the OT is irrelevant and only quote one section of it is a terrible argument and does not apply in this context.
    Jesus came not to abolish the Law (of Moses) but to fulfill it. Through His sacrifice we no longer have to live by the Law, meaning we don’t have to sacrifice a bull every time we sin, etc., but He builds onto the foundation of the Law and gives us a new way of living. Example: “Anyone who looks at a woman with lust in his heart commits adultery.” (Mt 5:28) and “Anyone who hates his brother is guilty of murder.” (Mt 5:22). It is no longer the action that is a sin but the thoughts as well. By giving us this new Law He is actually making the old Law complete.
    As far as us remaining clean (don’t talk with a woman on her period and others…) and offering sacrifices to be cleansed is done away with through His sacrifice. He cleansed us and made us Holy in the eyes of God because the Old Testament way of doing it was insufficient.

  216. stacygturner November 29, 2012 at 6:49 am - Reply

    I hear so many Christians now a days claim that the Old Testament is defunct for Jesus was the “lamb” to clear away its rules and regulations. This is just another bullshit scapegoat that Christians use to ignore the atrocities and bizarre laws commanded by their god. Their preachers spoon feed them that the Old Testament is no longer binding so that they can excuse the majority of evil that the bible promotes. I am so tired of Christians manipulating the scriptures so that they can assign a kinder nature to their God, that I have assembled a BRIEF list of verses which clearly show that the Old Testament is not to be ignored. Its laws should indeed be adhered to, for the New Testament demands it! After this section I shall list where the Bible contradicts itself concerning other laws.

    1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

    2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)

    3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

    3b) “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

    3c) “Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.” (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

    4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 “Whoever curses father or mother shall die” (Mark 7:10 NAB)

    5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

    6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

    7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

    8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,…” (John 1:17).

    9) “…the scripture cannot be broken.” –Jesus Christ, John 10:35


  217. biblicaleschatology May 28, 2013 at 10:35 pm - Reply

    Why the Bible bans those foods and has weird laws?

    The bans were in place to prevent illness and contamination of others. This is what is now called Kosher, as in what is ‘clean’. The laws tell how to prepare food, not have the blood in it and so forth, that will harm you and dishonor God and your family, listed primarily in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14 (Exodus 21:7; Leviticus 11:6-10; 15: 19-24; 19:19-27; 20:14; 24:10-16; 25:44).

    Let’s take a look. Mixing different fibers creates a nasty mold that kills, and can wipe out and entire village; we do not have this problem today because we have Tide and bleach. In the 3rd world, where I work, they still have these problems. As in ancient times, bacteria forms and can cause mass epidemics that would wipe out an entire clan or people group or contaminate fields. If you boil goat milk and goat meat together without proper refrigeration, a bacteria is formed. Also, this is how the Canaanites made to honor their pagan gods. Those who are healthy do not eat what the Bible forbids, even today, why Orthodox Jews live longer and are healthier that other people groups.

    Thus we are not to eat rabbit (ask any bunny and they will say no), lizards, birds of prey, rats, bats, most insects, anything that is a scavenger, what most of us would agree not to eat. Even shellfish, because they are scavengers and are full of toxins and in certain times of the year are deadly. Consider, how many people get sick and die because of pork? According to USDA, over 128,000 people have to go to the emergency room and 3,000 people die a year in the USA. With our modern ‘safe’ pigs available here, and without modern medicine, the majority of those would have died. Many others get nasty neurological diseases. (USDA “Your Safe Food Handling” handbook, 2012), so cook your bacon extra crispy.

    Basically many of the Leviticual laws were for health and safety and to prevent the people from engaging other religions and to protect the family from dysfunction and hurt. The death penalty is how important and serious this is–that what is forbidden is deadly. This is one of the reasons why the Jews are the only ancient people group still with us–because of the Law. They were not affected by plagues, because they tossed out their garbage and burned their feces away from their fresh water sources. Europeans did not, it, and it attracted rats that had diseased fleas that had disease; they killed cats because they thought they were witches, and millions of people died horrible deaths.

    Christians are no longer obligated to keep them, but we still must do our best due diligence to be healthy (Mark 7:19; Acts 10).

  218. Dueteronomy 23:13 September 6, 2013 at 1:37 am - Reply

    This is fun, I struggle with joy in my life and its stuff like this that really makes me laugh. On the whole homosexuality topic I just want to say that I’ve murdered people, commuted adultery more times than I can count. So who are we to say that we are better than them just because they sin differently. “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” basically, despite the old laws or anything we are told to love one another. And as for me I will continue to do so. Btw I’m a gratful Lutheran yet a completely evil person. aight, ciao!

  219. izraul March 27, 2014 at 8:53 pm - Reply

    LOL if god really exists i would love to be there when you religious nuts have your conservation.. That shit would be so comedy! lol it would most likely go like this..

    God: so why should i let you into heaven? Nut: because i did everything you said.. God: I said? when the hell did i say anything to you? Nut: in your book. God: my book? what makes you think it was my book? Nut: because everyone on earth said it was. and i followed your word.. God: no you didn’t follow my word! you followed their word, cause I never said shit to you.. did i? Nut: but the people on earth clearly said.. God: yeah.. clearly you followed them and what they said.. not me! you moronic idiot!!

    lol. pure comedy!

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