Atheists, Can You Prove The Bible Is False?

Paul O'Flaherty

So dear skeptical, knowledgeable and highly sarcastic readers of Unfollowing Jesus, care to take a stab at this one?

Prove The Bible Is False

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  1. michaelF February 9, 2012 at 10:22 am - Reply

    Sherlock Holmes must have really existed, since London really is a city and it appears in the Sherlock Holmes books.

  2. Jon bush February 9, 2012 at 10:57 am - Reply

    the great flood.to have 26000 feet of extra water cover all of the earth would have made our atmosphere un breathable.let alone the means to gather every animal to one place in a primative society. but i ask  you for just one tiny shred of evidence that god does exist.you cant.

    • Jwwwjd February 10, 2012 at 12:49 am - Reply

      That is so sad that you cant look around and see evidence for God. Look at babies being born. The earth. Our bodies. The sky. Beyond. Everything in the earth.

      • Alex February 10, 2012 at 3:25 am - Reply

        @ Jwwjd you have the logic of a 3 year old.

        As for the image: by this logic we can say Harry Potter is real: can you proof that he’s not? can you proof that everything from the movies are not real?

        • Jwwwjd February 10, 2012 at 6:06 pm - Reply

          The funny ting about your reply is that i knew if any of you replied it would only be insulting & offensive… no proof.

          • Angelo February 10, 2012 at 6:19 pm -

            I respect other people’s beliefs but, why is the only explanation for earth must be god? science will eventually disproof all of the religious beliefs. That is we don’t destroy ourselves along the way.

          • Gidgee February 12, 2012 at 1:21 am -

            Where is *your* proof? Solid, tangible, real proof. Say, for example, that I believe that babies being born, the Earth, our bodies and so on, are being brought about by a man named John. Say I believe this with all my heart because I have faith and I know it to be true. I pose a question to you, asking whether you can prove that John does not exist and has not created all of this. You say that God has created these things. It is true because you believe it is. But with this reasoning, the same holds true for me – John has created these things because *I* believe. You say to me that it cannot be true and ask me why I cannot see that these are created by the Lord, God. I tell you that there is evidence all around for John – who is my Lord – and I wonder why *you* cannot see it. Our arguments are one and the same, however for two different people. You cannot then say that this is proof, as it holds “true” for two different ways of reasoning.

            Now I’m done with the example and I’m just talking to you; I’m not saying that you’re wrong, even though many people are, in fact telling you that, but I do think that a lot of people who don’t believe what you believe are sick of being asked to prove that which they *don’t* believe. If I found a new species of animal, I couldn’t just say to everyone “Hey check out this new animal that has five legs, is covered in fur and speaks english” because they would all tell me I was foolish and it couldn’t be true. If I then asked them to prove that it didn’t exist, no one would listen. *I* would have to prove to them that it *did* exist. With real evidence. Not just “I saw it.” or “It’s just real, okay?” because, again, no one would listen.

            I respect your belief, but that’s just what it is – *you* belief. It’s not our business what you believe. I’m sure many Athiests just wish Christians, Catholics, lots of religions really, would just let us not believe in peace.

          • Matt Fonti February 13, 2012 at 7:09 am -

            proof for…?

      • Matt Fonti February 11, 2012 at 5:26 am - Reply

        That is so sad that you can’t look around and see evidence for the Flying Spaghetti monster. Plus he has everything in the universe as evidence of his noodley greatness, not just the Earth.

  3. Big7bro7 February 9, 2012 at 11:00 am - Reply

    How bout the flood? Or the fact that Cain would’ve had get it on with his mom, all Oedipus style, to get his wife (who also happens to be his sister)? Or the fact that God is supposed to be omnipotent, but had to flood the Earth because he was all pissy and then had to sacrifice himself to himself to save us from…himself? I could go on for days, but it’s now time for me to do what fundamentalists hate the most…go to class and learn about the world.

  4. DarkHorseSki February 9, 2012 at 11:19 am - Reply

    Actually, all you need is an understanding of the science of genetics, geology and archeology.  Combine that with the stated genealogy lines that are so often stated within the Bible and you can disprove almost the entirety of Genesis.

    If you know history, you can disprove the Jesus character because you cannot find a birthdate for that character that fits within history. 

    • Jwwwjd February 10, 2012 at 12:46 am - Reply

      I say go for it because scientists of those fields or anyone yet for that matter has not been able to prove anything in the bible is not accurate. Every time they try, they prove the bible to be true. Again i say go for it. The bible can stand on its own and God certainly can. Give it an earnest try.

      • Guest February 12, 2012 at 4:40 pm - Reply

        You should probably not overlook the comment given above this one.  Though that one might actually be a tough read, so I bet you will simply choose to overlook the post that actually gives you an “earnest try”.

      • Tony April 30, 2014 at 3:08 pm - Reply

        Amen

  5. guest February 9, 2012 at 1:25 pm - Reply

    I think people on both sides of the issue are afraid to say “I don’t know.” Well–I don’t know if god exists or if the bible is true or not, and I’m not going to spend my life trying to figure it all out. Not knowing things apparently scares the crap out of people so they feel they have to choose a side. I just don’t know! There, I said it. :)

    • Jwwwjd February 10, 2012 at 12:40 am - Reply

      Thats like saying im not going to find out if i have cancer or not. Arent those pretty big consequences if you do… or if you are wrong and God really is who the bible says He is??? Seems like its worth checking out… whats the worst that could happen if you earnestly started researching?

    • Jason L February 12, 2012 at 12:04 am - Reply

       Sorry but I do know as many who study history and science do in fact know. If you scroll down you’ll see that i know. If you go to a book store a crack a text book or go to college you’ll find people who do know. What you are confused over is YOU don’t know.

      • EnjoyLife April 9, 2012 at 8:26 am - Reply

         Why so serious bro ? WHY SO FUCKING SERIOUS ?

  6. Jason L February 11, 2012 at 11:56 pm - Reply

    1) Like in the Illiad and Odyssey, Greece, Athens, Corinth and many other locations are named but that does not prove that Zeus, Hercules, and Achilles existed. You can not prove that which is unprovable but because something is unprovable does not make it so. This is called logic.
    2) Jesus never existed, why? The Buddha predates Jesus by 800 years. He was a wealthy man who realized the error in society and ultimately wandered the desert for 40 days and nights, sat under a tree and was tempted by demons. He was betrayed by a follower and murdered. Mythras (also predating Jesus but local) was the son of a God, performed miracles, and was murdered betrayed by a follower, Mythras was once named Perseus who was the founder of Persia. I can’t convince you Perseus, who killed Medusa didn’t exist but Adonis (meaning lord as in Anno Dominae) was the son of god, had a cult, promised heaven, was betrayed by his follower, buried in a tomb and resurrected 7 days later. In Greece, every Easter a region of the country celebrates the resurrection of Adonis (Lord). Jesus (a name that did not exist 2000 years ago) is an amalgam of various myths brought about by Roman trade routes. I can go on, for instance Athena’s the virgin goddess born of a virgin birth’s last cult was in Nazareth at the same time another famous virgin birth also born a virgin birth took place. Again the argument is that a claim is being made without proof and being argued that absence of proof is in itself proof. I can not disprove Santa Clause, Zeus, Odin, or Big Foot but logic, when used, can find enough support to find better answers then the logic in this picture.
    3) Prove one event in the Bible never took place. For this you need an education. 1) the flood never took place. It is ludicrous to believe it did. There is no evidence for it as we use exact dating techniques such as dendocronology, potassium dating, radio carbon dating, the earth magnetic poles, among many other absolute and relative dating techniques to show how the earth has been affected by environment. You see, the earth, all fossils, and everything that has ever died and been left behind gives of radioactivity as it decays. That decay rate is standard and constant. Using the rate of decay we measure how long an object has been on the earth. We use tree rings which would show any event such as a fire, drought, or flood. We use geological evidence to support findings that areas such as the grand canyon made of specific mineral deposits can only occur over a certain given time and  under certain conditions. The earth displays no natural record of any environmental conditions fitting a flood BUT ancient Greece does have a myth that Zeus flooded the planet murdering the first inhabitants of the planet he deemed sinners as to the Babylonians in the story of Gilgamesh which both predated Judaism by 500 years or more.
    Another event is the crucifixion as it was NOT a death sentence but torture. That Pontius was so fond of it they did not have crosses due to lumbar shortages but instead would have vast rows of posts stuck in the ground and a beam would be attached to the post for the prisoner then after 3 days if they survived they were let free. Here is a man who is so important that not one single Roman record has been found. Not one person wrote about Jesus until 100 years after his death in a time when record keeping was an absolute to the Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians.
    The Jews were never slaves in Egypt. Egypt costume had an indentured servitude. We have records of all the slaves and how they were managed including the houses they lived in. They were made to work for several years, fed, clothed, and families looked after then after five or so years they were let go. No where is there any record, in one of the most advanced societies of the time, is there any mention that Jews were slaves or that a man named Moses interacted let alone allowed for the murder of thousands of Egyptian children thus committing mas infanticide. The Egyptians would have been set back by this and surely someone would have documented it. There was never a large population of Jews found to have ever historically lived in Egypt, not a single artifact…nothing. There for there was no Exodus.
    ALSO, when Jesus was born, and Mary and Joseph (who against culture and tradition and strict law hadn’t had sex? except they did…jesus’ brother james..also a European name) fled from King Herod they site the names of a Roman leader and another king (I’m sorry you bible people may know but off the top of my head it escapes me) well, those three individuals never lived at the same time. That is another example of something in the bible that didn’t happen.

    Perhaps their is a deity responsible for string theory, super novas, planets that are exactly the same size as earth and may support life 600 light years from now and perhaps on a planet such as ours they are having the same discussion but your BIBLE is wrong. It is a hateful book that supports killing Babies, selling women, genital mutilation, and slavery (all can be found in Leviticus and Romans…the same stories used to keep homosexuals from enjoying equal rights and you can say Render unto Cesar all you like but all that tells me is if a Christian didn’t have to deal with pesky govt laws slavery would be fine, after all that was what the South said in support of going into the Civil War. God. God ordered the death of babies. Babies who had no crime, no sin, nothing to do with their children and if you take one portion of the Bible as truth it must all be truth. Picking and choosing means you don’t believe but that you are too scared to learn about biology and the cosmos. We see how far the rest of the universe is from us, we see how fast the objects move away, and through MATH we can rewind and see just how long it would have taken for those objects to get out there. The bible doesn’t discuss planets in other galaxies. The bible doesn’t discuss abortion, birth control, or evolution. The bible doesn’t discuss dinosaurs or ice ages and for those who believe the earth is 6,000 to 10,000 years old you are actually quoting the calculations of a very nasty man who lived during the 1500′s or otherwise known as the Dark Ages.

     Atheists do not have to Disprove god anymore then we have to disprove Zeus. The Bible says, NO Gods Before Me which means there are other gods but you don’t believe in them as anything but myth. Why? Atheists do not have to disprove because we aren’t making a claim that something we can not see exists or something happened the way it is spelled out in a book written during the NEOLITHIC. If god did exist I wonder why he only talked to men who were alone and then dictated the rights of women and urged war on neighboring tribes. Why didn’t god speak to a more advanced civilization such as the Chinese and Japanese who were so far beyond middle eastern pastoral desert folk that at least their may have been better records. If today God told you to take your child to be offered up as Abraham did would you? If your spouse told you God spoke to them and told them they had to stab your child to death would you believe in god or tell him to piss off? What if God stood before you and picked your child from the crowd and was going to stab your son to death? Would you follow a deity who is so plainly without morals? God appeared to one group of Hebrews and they had an unpopular theology that Constantine eventually took upon himself to mandate for Rome for many fiancial reasons. Over the years the Roman and Greek Churches edited, hid, and destroyed portions of the bible they deemed heretical to their control. The Bible you learned is the Bible very powerful men wanted you to read, not even the original.

    Odysseus never existed but Ithaca does. Prove to me Odysseus never existed. Prove to me the Cyclops he escaped from never existed. Prove to me he didn’t travel to HADES (HELL) and didn’t encounter the lord of the underworld. You can’t. It’s unprovable but these were the basis of a great long tradition of not just stories be religious practices as you can visit the houses of worship to Zeus, Athena, and Apollo. The problem with believers is you use what you can’t prove to push upon the rights of Americans when the founding fathers clearly stressed no religion should be involved in govt. James Madison wrote that no clergy should ever be in the military. Ben Franklin was an atheist. Thomas Jefferson removed all supernatural events from the Bible. Not one founding father had a priest with them as they died. Their literature is anti christians as few of them were other then Calvanist and Quakers and that is on paper alone. Many were deists who were inspired by Thomas Paine. In God We Trust was added during World War 2 for moral. Hell, Abraham Lincoln said, “The Bible is Not my book” because he was an agnostic. And yet, you book banning, prejudiced, hater mongers use Jesus, the ultimate pacifist, to murder abortion doctors, ban the rights of American in a Republic not a theocracy, and still degrade women (and why women don’t see a bunch of spiritual leaders, mostly men, dictating how they should use their bodies as anything but offensive is beyond me) and as you clearly don’t know what science is; a Five Step Method used to strictly test a hypothesis into creating a working Theory (or as close to a fact as science permits since science never claims absolute facts since we are always looking for better answers and better ideas rather then old absolutes with no new information) you don’t understand why Creationism can not be tested, has never been tested, just lies and bullshit to make the Bible sound legit.

    Finally, if everyone who believed that their religion was correct could stop to think about why then are there so many (and don’t say the evil demon man living in the earths core) off them? If God was real why hasn’t he come back? Why did he only talk to 1 or 2 individuals who offered no proof just as Joseph Smith, an illiterate con man who claimed the dead could tell him where gold was located in up state NY. That he was the divine messenger (which meant to Mormons god got it wrong the first time) and as he translated in secrecy, any who spied on him would die! Now, on that mans word alone there is a religion financially responsible for trying to stop Gays from having their constitutional right.

    We do not live in a christian state. The pilgrims came seeking financial freedom with slaves under their arms. They wanted to do business on Saturdays and charge usury laws that the Protestant Church in England would not allow. The Mayflower Contract was a business comapnay not a church or religion. Until you learn science, history, or even gain a glimmer of education the only thing people like the one in this picture will ever understand is a pathetic, sad, and uninspiring life in which they bow down before a master in fear of going to hell. That alone is the most selfish reason to accept god. Fear of being punished even though jesus died so I wouldn’t have and though I never asked him too, if I don’t accept him i will suffer for no crimes a fate worse then he supposedly did because God didn’t get attention from me?
    Your book is false. Your beliefs are childish. Your world view is wrong. you may have a right to believe what you want just as many believe the moon landing was false, the loch ness monster is real,or that  magic underwear may save them. You can believe but that doesn’t make you right or valid or have a good point. Your beliefs are sick and hateful. your book is sad and pathetic and I am tired of the religious being given respect out of fear of stepping on their toes. Screw that. You claim god exists? Prove it. i can prove the evolution of the eye. I can prove the formation of the Universe and resent physics even offers a very plausible “what came before” answer if you only decided that the Universe and life are more beautiful and wondrous then a god creating it all in 6 days and being omnipotent yet still needing to take a break on the 7th with no answer what he did on the 8th.

    Finally, the 4th law of thermodynamics only applies to a closed system. In terms of the Universe, the Earth, and Life these systems are open and the rule does apply. This wasn’t asked but christians who hear other christians say stupid things and mistake them for being clever like to bring this up with eye. This settles the fact that a variation of the Big Bang did happen and the best part is science doesn’t have all the answers. Tomorrow we will know more and refine the theory but that doesn’t make it “just a theory” and the word you are looking for is “hypothesis” or educated guess.

    If there is a god, if I am wrong, I will point out that I have no interest in a deity who my imagination is greater then, who is childish and absurd and who showed remarkable bad judgment in his messengers and lack of any appearance in our lives. I will condemn him for being a foolish hater and I shall tell him that as he created multiple galaxies and multiple universes that if he is at all like the writers of the Bible say, then shame on him for not loving anything enough but to have temper tantrums and insist on love or punishment. And for those of you who believe not in a higher power but a biblical deity from a book written at the same time as the Illiad, then I shame on your for stunting America and allowing the Chinese and the rest of the world pass us by just so you can have your personal beliefs be unchallenged.

    Finally, once again, you say god is real. I say prove it. For everything in nature that exists science can prove but you can not prove a single word of historical evidence in the Bible. 

    I am sure someone will be very Jesus like and condemn me to hell and fire and death but as an atheist I truly would never do that. Jesus wouldn’t have either. He’d have said not to judge and to love your neighbor not just neighbors like yourself but I’ve yet to meet that Christian and the only one I can think of is Martin Luther King Jr and it was a White Christian who shot him to death. 

    • Ghost, Holy February 12, 2012 at 4:34 pm - Reply

      God has Spoken!  Oh wait that was simply the overwhelming use of logic, science, and history.

    • hadeshelmet June 20, 2012 at 11:40 am - Reply

      The extreme lack of proper grammar in this article just turned me off. If you want to sound intelligent, then write intelligently. If you do not have the proper education to write intelligently, hire someone that can proof-read your writings.

      • Damage October 9, 2012 at 11:27 am - Reply

        Really? You are a dunce. His grammar….Read the post then say something negating it, not commenting on something as irrelevant as grammar. Great points made in the post. I’m sure no one is reading your reply due to the lack of a capital letter in your username. What are you, 15? I can’t imagine anyone you come in contact with actually enjoying your company. Refrain from telling me how awesome you are at everything and the exact angle you cock your Monster Energy hat, I won’t bother reading it. Just letting you know that you are a complete moron and the grammatical content of a post has nothing to do with the facts it contains.

        On to other points, it seems to me that Bible believers are always looking for some kind of proof that their god doesn’t exist. Fine, we don’t have any. I’m not going to even say that I don’t believe….well, that’s a lie, I don’t believe. But for the sake of argument, I would like to ask a few questions and have an actual believer and follower of the “Word of God” answer these questions.
        -Does God not clearly state in the Bible that his followers are to kill those that are not? That you are to kill blasphemers? Or will you argue that it is written only for the Jews?
        -Was Jesus not a Jew that then gave his own interpretations of the word of God? If so, do you worship Jesus or God? They are clearly not one and the same. Which one?
        -Is the God that the Jews worship different than your God? If so, how many Gods are there?
        -How do you know you picked the right God? What proof is there that the Christian God is the one, not a Greek or Egyptian god, who by rights, was around long before and has had not one shred of evidence prove that they didn’t exist?
        -What piece of proof is there that Jesus was the messiah? Meaning, what makes you believe that Jesus was “the guy” and anyone else claiming to be is not.
        -Aside from evidence all around us, what proof is there of God? I want something that science cannot recreate and make happen without God’s interaction.
        -Why does God only heal those that have access to proper medical care? Why won’t he cure aids?
        -Why does God find it more important to allow people that happened to have an education, business sense or otherwise favorable skill, to eat food? Why will he not bless defenseless children to do the same?
        -Why does God allow certain lizards and crustaceans to regrow limbs but not we? Why can we pray for a cancer treatment at THE HOSPITAL to work, and when it does, somehow God made it so, not the doctors. But we cannot pray to that same God, who can make you win the lottery, a title fight or a sporting event, to regrow an arm.
        -If you pray to God for your favorite team to win a game, let’s say the Dallas Cowboys on any given Sunday, and they beat the Cleveland Browns, does that mean your prayer worked? Does that mean God hates the Browns and everyone that prayed for them?
        -If you pray for your child to recover from heart surgery and they do not, why is that God’s will? Why did God need to take your child from you but he made sure your wife’s pants fit 2 years before that?
        -Is there a limit to the amount of prayers that God will give you? Why won’t he transport money under your bed?
        -Where are the miracles? It seemed that the God in the Bible(s) had an awful lot of interaction with humans, where is he now? Why is it that in an age where we just happen to be able to record evidence in many different ways there is none of God?

        I’m just curious, not being a wise-guy, just wondering about some of this information. Feel free to answer and discuss, I would appreciate it.

      • whatever July 28, 2013 at 10:38 pm - Reply

        Hadeshelmet.. to make such an insulting and nit picking remark about spelling and grammar shows your lack of intelligence and that you did not have an intelligent response, so just insult, really Christian of you.. Einstein, one of the most intelligent men of all time was a horrible speller.. Spelling and Grammar are not a sign of intelligence. I have a niece who is mentally challenged and she is a great speller, but has difficulty with even the most simple math problems and NO ONE would say she is intelligent.. Spelling and grammar are unimportant here and have nothing to do with his comments and points and a lot of times it’s just typo’s, who cares.. When you have the intelligence and education to make a valid point come back and make one..

  7. Clyde February 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm - Reply

    You can’t prove a negative.
    The burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim.
    Prove that those places existed.
    Prove that those things happened.
    prove that those characters were not just fiction.

  8. Atheismbyfire April 10, 2012 at 1:05 pm - Reply

    Scholars call Jesus, by 2 separate and distinct names. One is Jesus Christ, Christ being the Greek word for Messiah or Savior, usually reserved for his sheeple. Then you have Jesus of Nazareth, mostly just stating his homeland or town. The funny thing is, the city of Nazareth was not created by YHWH until 350 C.E. (That is Common Era for you bible beaters, 330 years after the fictional character Jesus was nailed to some wood). The oldest thing that has been found from the area of Nazareth dates to 350 C.E. and it is 11 bits of pottery. 
    So… It is settled. We are All Africans! All Hail Darwin!

  9. 1Dad2Four April 24, 2012 at 4:13 pm - Reply

    Let’s face it, there is no reliable proof that ANY god exists.  Is it possible?  Perhaps.  However, until reliable proof is presented, the idea of creation is nothing more than a well crafted myth. I’ve always wondered why people spend so much time arguing for or against it.  Why not spend what time we have enjoying life, regardless of how it came to be??

    • Paul O'Flaherty April 24, 2012 at 4:44 pm - Reply

      The reason we spend so much time arguing against it is because those who believe insist on shoving it down our throats and crafting laws, and corrupting education in order to make us all believe what they do.

  10. lolucrazy June 8, 2012 at 9:07 pm - Reply

    pretty simple. the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. to state an absurd assertion such as “prove the bible is false” is like making a claim that we were all born from a rainbow unicorn 5 million years ago and to disprove that. it is not the audience that needs to prove it, but the person making the assertion in the first place. poorly played my friend.

  11. slrman August 14, 2012 at 12:47 pm - Reply

    As stated by Dr. Bart Ehrman, Professor of religious studies at the University of North Caroline, Chapel Hill, NC said, “In the entire first Christian century, Jesus is not mentioned by a single Greek or Roman scholar, politician, philosopher, or poet. His name never appears in a single inscription, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence. Zero! Zip references!”

    Jesus never existed,

    There is not one contemporary account of any jesus.  Isn’t it strange that the Romans, who kept such good records otherwise, made no mention of any jesus?

    Jesus is someone who was supposed to have had great effect socially, politically, religiously, and performed several miracles.  Then there was the very public trial and execution.  But not one word, either officially, or in surviving private correspondence has appeared.

    The first mention of any jesus is in the gospel of Mark, written from 40 to 110 years, depending upon which biblical “scholar” you believe, after the “facts”.

    The rest of the babble is equally false. Naming historic events or places, proves nothing. For example:

    On the 11th of September, 2001, two commercial aircraft flew into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, killing thousands.

    Some people believe that this was an act of terrorism by an Islamic fundamentalist organization.

    It was really the power of my god (he who must not be named) directing those planes to warn the people of the USA and the world to abandon their wicked ways and praise the only true god.

    The first sentence is unquestionable historic fact. The last sentence is a delusional lie but is impossible to prove to be false. The “truth” of all “holy books” is based upon this same technique.

  12. Denton September 11, 2012 at 10:37 pm - Reply

    @Angelo
    actually science is proving itself wrong if you do some research evolutionist atheist paleontologist etc keep on finding out that their theory are less and less possible
    and yet they haven’t found even one inaccurate thing in the bible
    The bible contains scientific facts that were thousands of years ahead of their time that we are even now learning

    We have found sites where the Bible had said they would be located noahs arch is one of hundreds of examples
    Look it up

    The old testemant had made prophecies that all came true and are eve coming true today

    We see all these things happening but we turn our heads and act like it never happened and word doesn’t get around

    Please do research
    i will not continue to defend my argument for others who want to debate because a lot of what i would say would be already stated in the series called “The Truth Project” i know its expensive but if you really believe in atheism then when you die it won’t matter what you did on earth because your asleep and cant think or process information so nothing matters of what you did when you where on earth because to you it never happened which this has been shown to be wrong because of people who die and come back to life (NDE) because they all have vivid views of what happened when they died what happened and
    a description of heaven or hell which correspond with the Bible even with atheist who have not ever read the bible or people of other religions

    So watch this video “The Truth Project”
    After all what is more important the Truth of what will happen when you die and where you will spend eternity or what your going to do in the next 20 minutes

    Do you really want to risk spending ETERNITY in hell just because you were to greedy to spend 100$
    it’s you alls choice not mine

    • Bradly January 20, 2014 at 11:38 pm - Reply

      The flood never took place. It is ludicrous to believe it did. There is no evidence for it as we use exact dating techniques such as endocrinology, potassium dating, radio carbon dating, the earth magnetic poles, among many other absolute and relative dating techniques to show how the earth has been affected by environment. You see, the earth, all fossils, and everything that has ever died and been left behind gives of radioactivity as it decays. That decay rate is standard and constant. Using the rate of decay we measure how long an object has been on the earth. We use tree rings which would show any event such as a fire, drought, or flood. We use geological evidence to support findings that areas such as the grand canyon made of specific mineral deposits can only occur over a certain given time and under certain conditions. The earth displays no natural record of any environmental conditions fitting a flood BUT ancient Greece does have a myth that Zeus flooded the planet murdering the first inhabitants of the planet he deemed sinners as to the Babylonians in the story of Gilgamesh which both predated Judaism by 500 years or more.

      Quoted from Justin L…. clearly you didn’t read it. Basically refutes what you said entirely. Use your brain.

  13. DR HANS SCHWANTZ November 10, 2012 at 4:32 pm - Reply

    I look at it this way…I see the earth, I see the universe out in space, and even though we can explain some of the processes of life through science and other observational methods, there is still questions that all of us must ask ourselves. Namely how did all this come to exist in the first place, how is it sustained and how did it all start beyond the big bang theory and why is it all here to start with? It just seems there has to be more to our existence than simply the cycle of here today and gone tomorrow. Until we really discover if we ever can the truth to these questions with absolute certainty and proof of that certainty, it leaves open to speculation and reason why all this is here to begin with. As to the Bible there is no real evidence based on hard facts such as old recorded events such as the Roman scrolls that recorded many things as they happened, but its best to rely on asking your own questions as I have provided above that I ask myself and try to make some sense of all this existence as best as we can.

  14. ghostboi December 24, 2012 at 12:52 am - Reply

    I’m going to have my say. Check this out. BTW, I am not an athiest or a christian.. Athiest are morons if they dont believe that some powerful being or maybe beings created all this bcuz the world is too complex to just be made by something natural and coincidental like the big bang. Think about it, the world is a PERFECT CIRCLE. You think that is a coincidence? Look how complex and well-designed and constructed EVERYTHING is. It’s OBVIOUSLY created by some supernaturally genius and powerful being(s). DUH! So yes, it’s slightly possible that Yahweh created it. But check this out. These are some of the reasons why I think it retarded to believe in Yahweh/Jesus and why I believe it’s just another badly made story of a god designed by some culture. It’s a fairy tale:

    1 – Adam and Eve supposedly populated this earth, right? So if Adam and Eve are just two people, how the heck could all these races have come from just them. It’s impossible and most likely never happened. All the races in the world can’t come from just two people. Duh! Christians are so annoying. I hate stupid people. This world is full of idiots. Sorry

    2 – Talking snakes? Where are all the “talking animals” now? Sounds like a made up story, doesn’t it?

    3 – Check this out. So God created Adam and Eve and immediately they could talk? They never had to learn words before they could talk? Impossible. It’s extremely stupid to believe this. When babies are born. They dont just come out knowing every word in the dictionary. How annoying. IT”S A MADE UP STORY!

    4 – So Adam and Eve got kicked out of The Garden of Eden and the only thing keeping them out is supposedly an angel with a flaming sword. That would obviously mean that this is the only thing keeping anybody out of the garden is this angel. So where is this angel now and where is the garden. If the bible were true, They would still be here. Am I wrong?

    5 – The way that you know Jesus and the disciples were fake is that the 4 above reasons show you why Adam and Eve are obviously a fictional story.and Jesus and his disciples say that Adam and Eve were here. The mention things like the second Adam or the blood of Abel. Fake!

    6 – Another thing. The bible says that God created the world from scratch. So what he says goes, right? And he supposedly loves us more than our own parents. So your telling me that God couldn’t have just forgiven Adam and Eve and maybe made some fruit that cleansed them from sin? They were deceived for goodness sake. Rather, he condemns us all to death. Trillions and trillions of people will die harshly now because God couldn’t forgive us for being human and making a mistake. And then, to save us from sin he sends his only son to be tortured and killed for atonement, when all he really has to do is forgive us? But instead, you moronically put your son through the worst pain of his life for nothing? This proves that if Yahweh is real, he is just a moron with powers.

    7 – So all Yahweh has to do is kill Satan. A creation he made and can destroy with just a thought, and then nobody would be deceived and manipulated and have to BURN IN HELL FOR *ETERNITY*. Yet for his pleasure, he toys with our eternal souls and tests us and puts our very souls on the line. This is evil and wouldnt be done by someone who really loved us. This is all a game to him. He’s playing with our eternal souls. BASTARD!!!! And most of the people that would burn in hell aren’t going because they were defiant even after knowing God is real. No one knows if God is real (we are trying, God. Have mercy, you evil moron). Its because they are only human and simply couldnt believe in such an unbelievable story. They made a mistake and now they will burn in hell for all ETERNITY. In Revelations, it says that all UNBELIEVERS will go to hell.

    8 – OK, one more (I have more than this). Job. In the book of Job, there is a dialogue between Satan and God (Note that God could have easily just destroyed Satan at that moment and the world would live happily ever after). How could a man have possibly witnessed this dialogue, which seems to have taken place in like heaven or something? This is obviously a story written by some human.

    Well hopefully this brings some people to their senses. If your truly smart as you probably think you are, than it is easy to see the bible is most likely false. They seriously don’t even know for a fact who wrote all that stuff. Oh yeah, and you seriously think Noah and all the people on the boat populated this earth? Probably never happened.

    • Paul O'Flaherty December 24, 2012 at 7:45 am - Reply

      I couldn’t bring myself to read your entire post because of your daft opening statement. Seriously, claiming that all atheists are morons because the earth is a perfect circle?

      A circle (two dimensional) is a shape of Euclidean geometry. It consists of the set of points that are equidistant from a single point, the center. The distance between any such points and the center is called the circle’s radius. However, a sphere (three dimensional) is a perfectly round geometric object such as a round ball.

      The earth is NOT a perfect sphere. It is actually more pear shaped, bulging at the equator and flattening at the poles. (JFGI)

      As for the rest of your comment, well, TL;DR. Your opening statement killed it.

      • You're not as smart as you think May 9, 2013 at 9:59 pm - Reply

        You have the same problem as all other Atheists. As soon as you hear something you don’t like you just shoot it down without even giving it another chance.

        • Creationism is bullshit May 16, 2014 at 10:25 pm - Reply

          The fact that u said the Earth is a perfect circle is just one of the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Please go back to school and actually learn something.

      • Timothy Steele September 11, 2013 at 3:41 pm - Reply

        I believe the word you are looking for is ovoid.

  15. Red March 4, 2013 at 7:27 am - Reply

    quote/
    Think about it, the world is a PERFECT CIRCLE. You think that is a coincidence? Look how complex and well-designed and constructed EVERYTHING is. It’s OBVIOUSLY created by some supernaturally genius and powerful being(s)./quote

    Have you ever seen a gem or diamond? now that is a complex shape and beautiful.
    i am 50% in between not sure what to believe, I have social Anxiety so i overthink stuff way to much and think people are denying just to make them self feel normal like war.
    is it OK to kill for peace?
    in the bible there are many things that sound made up or conflicted with each other, but there are to much stuff that is to hard to explain to say its just Science, like LOVE
    its scares me to think! what if their right?,
    why didn’t i just spend 5 mins praying? worst thing that could happen when you die its all black, but if their right?!! :( scare me,

    had to get that off my chest thx for reading

  16. Atheist March 13, 2013 at 6:35 pm - Reply

    Everybody would be mutated if the bible were real. If the only people left were Noah, his wife, his sons, and his sons’ wives then everybody would be mutated if you happen to know basic genetics.

    • fatbastard10 July 16, 2013 at 11:59 pm - Reply

      Theoretically, the first wave of offspring is okay, with Noah and his wife, and the sons and their wives. It’s when THESE kids reproduce that is the problem. They are all relatives. So yeah, you’re right.

  17. Joshua August 18, 2013 at 10:29 pm - Reply

    2 Timothy 3:1-4,12

    My first experience with the supernatural happened when I was 6. It was the first time I saw a demon. Some might argue that it was a dream, or my imagination, but I remember it as very real. I wasn’t born into a religious family. My folks split when I was young. When I was 10 I went to live with my father, who had become very involved in church. I remember the first miracle I experienced. I broke my ankle, or at least I believed it to be broke, (no doctor report). I was playing at the pool and slipped. My father picked me up and ran me into the house where he and my stepmother began to pray. My ankle was swollen 3 times normal size, completely black, and I couldn’t move it at all. 15 minutes later, after prayer began, my ankle was fully recovered, no swelling, no discoloration, and I was running like nothing happened. That was a miracle. Not long after, a few weeks, I received what the bible refers to as the Holy Ghost. As the Spirit of God moved upon me, I spoke in a language I’ve never heard before. I felt the power of what I could only describe as God. It felt like an overflow of joy, peace, and love combined with a surge of earth shaking power. Since then I’ve studied the Word of God, as well as other religions, including atheism and evolution. And yes those are religions also. I’ve served God and I’ve backslid to serve myself. Now I’m currently a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ. I’ve had visions and dreams of futur events in my own life, of demons and angels, and have witnessed many miracles and the power of the Holy Ghost. I hear scoffers all the time say God isn’t real and the bible is false, but I know personally and believe God to be real and the bible to be true. My proof is in the power of the Holy Spirit. Although there are hundreds of proofs that say the bible is true. Satan is hard at work to keep everyone from believing. And to be accurately correct, from someone who actually studies the bible and believes it, As a whole the bible teaches love, not hatred.

  18. Garrett December 6, 2013 at 4:31 pm - Reply

    Well, the fact that there is extremely strong genetic evidence that proves all of human life originated from Africa and not from the middle-east. Strong evidence also puts the age of the earth at 4.5 billion years old, while the bible only puts it at around 6,000. And the fact that many stories in the bible contain events that completely defy the laws of physics and reality. I could go on and on. The existence of nature, humans and childbirth doesn’t even come close to proving the existence of God… In fact, it proves less than nothing.

  19. Damoon February 17, 2014 at 5:32 pm - Reply

    The bible, Jesus, god, zues, muhamed, and any other religious profets, books, or stories were all created to form a standard of morals of which to live by and means to control people to obey laws and pay for government needs. Simple as that.

  20. Murday March 3, 2014 at 2:16 pm - Reply

    There are alot of things that prove God does exist, and alot of things that prove he doesn’t,

    people from the BC era built the church and all the other religious structures in honor to God

    because they believe the same story you believe. The man who wrote the Bible did so to

    become popular and to sell his “book” for one thing, the “root of all evil” money, why do you

    think the church askes for so much of your money, not to help the homeless, but to send it

    straight to the man behind it all, another man created the Catholic religion, if there really was a

    God, he wouldn’t need someone to create a religion about him there would just be a religion

    about him. You don’t have to worry about going to Hell when you die, Hell dosn’t exist because

    the human body is made up of mostly water, which when exposed to the extreme heat of lava

    or a “Sea of fire” creates steam, they wouldn’t slowly melt, there body’s would generate steam,

    explosively. From the Bible’s view on the evolution of mankind, God created Adam, and from

    Adam’s ribs came Eve I’m sorry not only is that impossible, It’s just down right stupid, and these

    two are supposed to created all of humanity, from what we know about genetics, if you were to

    make a baby with a sibling, the child would be pretty messed up, were talking eleven toes

    messed up, if Adam and Eve’s children were to make more children with eachother to populate

    the entire planet imagine how messed up humanity would be. Because humanity is so

    desperate for an answer on how it all began people will make this kind of thing up, and if they

    do it correctlly, people will trully believe that, and even go as far as giving them money or even

    getting a little extreme. And finally the one fact that proves God is fake is that his religion is

    the only religion, what about the other religions like Buddhism, oh no they can’t exist because

    there not God right, there not a part of your religion therefore they don’t exist, that’s the one that

    gets me.

  21. DR HANS SCHWANTZ March 13, 2014 at 5:41 pm - Reply

    Reading comments on this site and others like it, really reinforces the fact that no really can answer with any real certainty the question “Why is there something rather than nothing?” If you are honest with yourself the best answer you can state is “I simply do not know.” You can state your beliefs of course but that does not make it the true truth.

    One truth is true though, is that we as humans will continue to search for the answers we seek and hopefully we will find them someday.

    Here is what I believe for my personal view only…I believe that something is responsible for the original impetus to start the big bang and for what existed before the big bang. What is that something? We don’t know. Plenty of good theories and research as you will find by Googling the subject.

    The strange fact of everything that concerns the universe and life itself is why it should be such a mystery in the first place? Would it not be nice to simply have an answer as we do, to say, the composition of water? But water is readily available and easy to experiment with as opposed to the dark, dangerous realms of outer space itself.

    The fact remains that outer space and biological life are complex mysteries that simply feel when researched that we are chasing our tails trying to find answers to the big questions.

    Maybe that something we seek in trying to answer the question mentioned earlier, wants it this way, so we can play the perpetual puzzle game.

    Lastly, I like religions and the effort each makes to try and help us thorough faith believe in something we cannot really sense. Each tries to offer answers but when fully explored they each leave holes in what it is the true truth once again. But they do offer beyond the mists of the myths, some comfort in sharing our hopes and fears about what all this means for eternity.

    So really no one has a monopoly on these answers given whether atheist or theist or something else. For now all we all can do is work together to help others while we are here, try to make the world a better place because we were in it, and hope there is something for us when we leave the place for good.

    From a popular show awhile ago, “The truth is out there.”

  22. Trey Cantrell March 29, 2014 at 10:56 pm - Reply

    No one knows.

  23. Janice McGellan April 3, 2014 at 11:21 am - Reply

    It is impossible to prove a negative. This is a well known principle in law. For example if you are accused of a crime you are still assumed to be innocent until proven otherwise. This is because you cannot prove innocence, only guilt. You cannot prove you did not do a thing, it can only be proven that you did. So no-one can prove the Bible is not true, it is for those who assert it’s truth to prove it. If I say to you, I have an invisible unicorn living in my garage – can you prove that is not true? And just because you cannot prove it untrue – does that prove it true? The answer is no it does not. The logical fallacy you are making is called Burden of Proof. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

    • Paul O'Flaherty May 6, 2014 at 9:20 pm - Reply

      is is because you cannot prove innocence, only guilt.

      I guess there is absolutely no need for a trial then.. ever… This will save criminal justice systems around the world billions of dollars.

  24. fairleadtechnologies April 19, 2014 at 10:04 am - Reply

    If we are here at the hands of evolution, wouldn’t natural selection and the survival of the fittest dictate that we should all be out for ourselves? The strong survive, right? That is how species persist through time while the weak are extinguished.
    So, how do you explain a concept like love, or charity, or sacrifice? These seem to contradict a simple explanation that begins with the Big Bang and continues in current times with society how it now stands. Would a cannibal eat his child? Would a father not feed his daughter before himself? How do you explain love without God. How did love develop in a purely evolutionary model?

    • Paul O'Flaherty May 6, 2014 at 9:25 pm - Reply

      The simplest answer is that physical strength is not the only attribute that contributes to survival. There are many approaches to survival that do not require you to be the biggest or strongest. Strength in numbers works just as well and allows for the emergence of many traits to allow the survival of communal groups. I suggest you invest some time reading more about the topic.

  25. Mitchell April 21, 2014 at 1:42 am - Reply

    You numbskull atheists shoot stuff down and avoid it. God works in mysterious ways. He does stuff amazing and then covers his tracks to see who the real believers are. We cant prove hes real and you cant disprove him. Thats the way he wants it. He wants you to decide for yourself (free will). And science is wrong religion isnt. Science explains only a few of the many things in this world. Science cant explain how Jesus healed blind people completely. Science response:???
    Watch the movie Gods not Dead. It will give you a logical view from both sides of the debate. And he even disproves the mentally ill Stephen Hawking. Now shut up and pray God has mercy. If he does exist good luck not getting tortured in hell. You guys cant see a miracle when its right in front of you. Take off the blinders and take a chance to devote yourself to something rather than nothing. He exists and loves you even if you dont know anything about him. And by the way God does weird things. For Example: Just because a family member of yours died at an unreasonable time doesnt mean that Gods a bad gu. He has a different purpose for each and every one of us. And God created Satan to be the perfect angel but God graciously spared him to live for eternity in a dump. He could have killed him but God has a purpose for him also. Plus God sent his son to die and raise from the dead for everyone and he would do it again all for you and nobody else. Thats how much he cares. Those who believe will see others in Heaven who have believed. And if you disown God he will definately disown you when you want into heaven. Like a grouchy hobo sitting outside the gates outside of the house of a rich man that constantly throws parties. It will suck and you will never forgive yourself even when you fall back to Hell. But if you act in time you can be on the VIP list like all other believers. Time is short. Love is eternal.

  26. Creationism is bullshit May 16, 2014 at 10:29 pm - Reply

    It’s funny how religious people say that Santa Clause doesn’t exist bc it’s ridiculous that an old man would watch over all the kids and take note on who’s naughty and who’s nice, and yet they believe in god and get all angry and we say god doesn’t exist, and yet the concept of Santa Claude is the exact same as the concept of a god

  27. whatever June 19, 2014 at 2:20 pm - Reply

    HERE ARE SOME PROOFS..READ THIS IF U WANNA FIND SOME TRUTH..ITS WORTH IT..I DIDNT PUT THEM ALL ..CAUSE THAT WILL TAKE A LIFETIME..u can prove every religion of today as being false both scientifically and historically and biologically..and logically..and morally ..and even scripturally in the case of islam and christianity (because a father will never abondon a child to make another covenent and another child with other children from the street like christianity and islam sustains god did with jews..that will make him the worst kinda human and impossible to be a god ..even less possible for god to do that..that will mean that he is evil because he abandons his children and also idiot and primitive because he couldnt get his laws = faith way whatever the first time witch means he is no perfect therefore not god..and even if their scriptures have no contradictions whatsoever ..they do have but they give explanations for them they would still be false scripturally..) ..and the funny thing is that u need only one of this things to already prove a religion/faith being as false..and no religion on earth ever got all this points ever..and they never will..

    A.historically ..sumer its not the first civilization as mainstream history has thought us to support both religion and atheistic/evolution point of view..not even close..try pelasgians 8.000 years ago and some say that even up to 17.000 years..historically from adam to today should be no more than 7000 years at best..do the counting ..yes no more because the 6 days happened in haven in eden..so it doesnt matter how much a day is to god it did not happen in this dimension according to all 3 books tanach bible and quran-witch means they are all false ..the children of the first people were born fast cause ppl do sex..u know..what do u think they do with their womans..therefore all history should be in 7000-8000 years in realistic years and up to 12-14.000 years in a big fat stretched up lie years.. -we know civilizations of humans who go 40.000 years ago.. and yes they are not alliens ..they are primitive civilizations..we have pelasgian empire..an advanced empire existing 8000 years ago..put another 2000 years science adam to the first civilizations and u go to 10000..witch is already a big problem for the bible quran tanach..because AGAIN in realistic years history acording to bible should have no more then 7500 years at best..because cain abel seth enosh lamech enoch u name them all this people were born among the first and they should of been born fast after the fallen from haven in the case of seth..but if u wanna play a lie u can say that the recent history can go even to 14.000 years according to bible.. but even then u have problems because there are civilizations witch go 12.000 years ago in africa and turkey..even 20.000 years ago..and there is no proof they are aliens because they were primitive civilizations..but again in real years history in bible quran tanach doesnt has no more than 7500 years..na na ..witch already makes it a lie because pelasgians go to at least 8000 years ago..witch means 8000 years ago there were already empires..witch means the beginig of the world should go way back..10.000 at least..but pelasgians are not the only ones..they are the only ones witch we know they were humans for sure..but even the rest of them were humans..because aliens dont build sites with primitive stones..this what im talking about are pyraminds or stonehage or other crap..this are really primitive sites..

    even if somehow u could prove that historically the bible event could have took place..witch u cant in a realistic view because they didnt wait to have sex with their wifes until 800 900 years..lets be serious for a moment here….u would still have problems with bones of humans found witch go 12.000 the first complete human skeleton found in mexic -40.000 years ago oldest human remains..and yes..again..they are not aliens they are humans..and human history should be no more than 8000 years according to bible..12 -13 at best -14.000 years at impossible level…. its almost impossible that the bible took place the way the bible says..that proves the bible tanach quran being a lie historically and biologically=scientifically in the case of the human bones..

    2. and this goes only for christianity and islam as well who sustains that Jesus existed even if he was not the mesiah ..there is no proof of jesus even existing (exactly like there is no proof for muhamed even eixsting as the first so called proofs come 100 years after their possible existence)..

    Josephus Flavius, the Jewish historian, lived as the earliest non-Christian who mentions a Jesus. Although many scholars think that Josephus’ short accounts of Jesus (in Antiquities) came from interpolations perpetrated by a later Church father (most likely, Eusebius), Josephus’ birth in 37 C.E. (well after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus), puts him out of range of an eyewitness account. Moreover, he wrote Antiquities in 93 C.E., after the first gospels got written! Therefore, even if his accounts about Jesus came from his hand, his information could only serve as hearsay. but most likely josephus flavius never mentions jesus ..it was only a fraud did in the 4th century by vatican and the church ..and was proven as such..in his original writings he never mentioned jesus not even once..ALL serious scholars say that the Josephus quote is a fraud, put in by possibly Eusebius decades after Josephus died. Among many clues historians look for is continuity of a passage, ie: the subject matter flows in a way as to be understood logically and seamlessly. With Josephus’ text the verse right before the forgery and right after it discuss the horrible events surrounding Pilate’s killing of people. But, right in the middle of the story we have a jesus commercial as I call it! An obvious ADDITION made decades, maybe centuries, after the original writing by Josephus and, I might add

    Tacitus, the Roman historian’s birth year at 64 C.E., puts him well after the alleged life of Jesus. He gives a brief mention of a “Chrestus” in his Annals (Book XV, Sec. 44), which he wrote around 109 C.E. He gives no source for his material. Although many have disputed the authenticity of Tacitus’ mention of Jesus, the very fact that his birth happened after the alleged Jesus and wrote the Annals during the formation of Christianity, shows that his writing can only provide us with hearsay accounts..Tacitus another historian witch christians say that he mentions jesus also DID NOT MENTIONED JESUS..NO ..HE DOESNT EVEN MENTION CHRIST ..THE TERM HE USES IS CHRESTUS NOT CHRISTUS..witch means the good not the mesiah..and even if he mentions christ it doesnt matter because there were many christs and mesiahs in those times..it doesnt prove that jesus existed whatsoever..

    Lucian of Samosata (circa 125 – 180 C.E.) lived well after the alleged death of Jesus. His writings are merely a repeating of Christian belief. It doesn’t confirm anything other than Christians believe what they believe..- it doesnt matter if he mentions jesus or not it is well after the birth of christianity so it doesnt prove that jesus existed..u simply can not use this guy as proving christianity because we know that in the 2 century christians were so many like a country and were even invited by jews to fight against roman opresion ..but they refused …and already there were liars fathers of christianity apologetics writing things for them..so he could of got his things from them..u 100% cant use this guy as a proof..he is 100 years after jesus death..and wrote his works more than 150 years after jesus’s death..the chance as this guy saying something true about jesus is none..

    Pliny the Younger (born: 62 C.E.) His letter about the Christians only shows that he got his information from Christian believers themselves. Regardless, his birth date puts him out of range as an eyewitness account. plus he wrote the thing after the year 112..well after jesus died and well after first christian books were wrote..+ Pliny, the younger wrote, christians were singing a hymn to christ as to a god. Nothing about a jesus, etc. No different than saying hari kristnas were singing to lord kristna. And Pliny may have been referring to the other false christs going around claiming to be THE one and only. Why would they write unconfirmed things? EVERYONE in a religious cult, xtian or otherwise, did that but the xtians were notorious for lying.

    Both Pliny and Tacitus say NOTHING about a specific jesus.

    BUT IT DOESNT EVEN MATTER WHAT THIS HISTORIANS THOUGHT OR WROTE..BECAUSE NONE OF THEM WERE IN JESUS TIME..NONE..THEY WERE NOT EVEN BORN..SO THEY COULD OF HEARED THE INFORMATION FROM OTHER CHRISTIANS WITCH COULD OF BEEN LIARS ..AND THERE ARE HISTORIANS WHO ARE IN JESUS TIME AND THEY DONT MENTION HIM..THATS A HUGE PROBLEM..IT POINTS TO THE FACT THAT THE GUY DIDNT EVEN EXIST..

    The Talmud also doesnt mention Jesus..NO..the talmud talks about about another Yeshua who had 5 students was not a law guy didnt keep torah and didnt perform miracles..it contradicts directly the jesus story..jesus had 12 students with marry 13 ..witch means Talmud talks about another Yeshua..it doesnt prove jesus..except christian lie when they told u that talmud proves jesus..

    There are actually historians who lived in jesus time..and they dont even mention him..thats a HUGE PROBLEM..same problem the shit muhamed has..there are historians in their time yet nobody even mentions them.. i tell u why..because they guys didnt exist..thats why..

    3.even if jesus did existed ..but thats like saying a lot.. there are actually no proofs that he was god son of god or even mesiah or even a king or lead a rebelion..all the proofs except christians fraud on josephus show otherwise..for such a huge person with historians coming from grece roman empire jewish all over the roman empire nobody names him..and nobody even talks about him performing miracles..romans were some of the best historians yet nobody mentions jesus as being god or the son of god .. romans wrote even about their worst enemies such as Hanibal Cartagina Gauls Germans Thracians Dacians Britons Grece..and civilizations witch might treat the history as we know it the status quo such as Agharteans Pelasgians ..even about their origin such as trojans=tracians ..and that they had a comoun ancestor with the thracians/dacians ethruscians illirians and they spoke a similar language older then latin..and that latin comes from the ancient Dacia..from the actual romanian language.. or both languages come from an even older language..yet they dont mention somebody so important like Jesus..romans named even the people they hated witch killed them like the famous giant general of dacians Gerula who killed hunders of romans or the germans how much they beaten them even if they dont say the real true ..they mention them..or Hannibal..yet they didnt mention Jesus..mm..and even if they did they never said anything about him as performing miracles..not mesiah not son of god or god ..thats asking already to much..they dont even mentions him as performing miracles..but actually they dont even mention him..interesting..and not only the romans ..but neither the jews the partians..the etiopians something else rather then religion..i dont know..or some greek hiding some writings if the romans would of destoried them..nothing whatsoever..the guy did not exist..

    4. the city of Nazareth its not even mentioned in Jesus time..the first time it was mentioned its in the 4th century..that makes the story of even jesus less believable than already is ..

    B.scientifically no religion makes sense whatsoever.. the tanach and the bible say that plants were made in the 3rd day yet the sun was made in the 4th..how is that even possible?.. the sun was made in the fourth day yet god counts days from the first..how is that possible ? chirstianity and quran have hell witch is a scientific imposibility with proves them both false.. because we can measure toughts today and every thought is a frequency even fear is a level of frequency a level of love..such a place where there is no love and god whatsoever like hell would be inexistence..further more..if god is everything he would be hell too..and if we are part of god the way islam and judaism sustians than god would be in hell and haven at the same time..and god will suffer too..how can he be god then if he would be in hell? its scientifically impossible and an idiot contradiction..and there are hundreds of them yet all religions sustian that they are prefect scientifically..they are not..also we were never blood of cloth in our history the way quran says.. ..but that is only some erors ..the biggest mistake there is is that all religions on earht sustain the einstein general relativity and big bang like atheists..and those theory have been long time proven false science 40s .. the universe its not like we believe it is ..its electrical or like walter russell proved..witch 100% disprove the story of creation and of a begining the way christianity islam judaism hinduism budhism and all the other believe..no religion is scientifically corect..only with the mainstream science promoted by the elite..and even if einstein would be right islam christianity would still be false scientifically because they have hell witch i already proved that it cant exist..and christianity islam and judaism will also be false because of many scientific errors they have..even islam has like the lie that we look like leaches before we are born..no ..we never look like leaches..we look completely different..further more even if all religions on earth would be scientifically corect..all of them..they would still be lies scientifically..because today we can measure toughts and feelings..and love its the highest frequency..and love has no limits or rules .. therefore no matter how much truth and love a faith would have ..it would still not be the ultimate truth and love..it will still not be bigger than love..witch means ..witch means something else its better and more real than religion/faith..witch means it would still not be the truth..it will still be just another lie..put to limit u.. and not love completely 100% free..and be completely 100 % good..witch means scientifically every religion faith tis a lie ..get it ? i wrote even children to understand..

    C. logically no religion ever made sense.. a god who makes rules for u to dont be free .. a god that puts people in hell or annihilates them after if they were evil..a god who cares what u eat wear drink how u have sex and with who and all those crap..rather than caring about other things..or a god who invents a religion or a faith for humans to keep..get a real grasp of reality..if i would be god i would make no religion or faith ..EVER..the very idea of religion faith or a book is evil primitive and with the absence of love witch is fear..witch can not be the ultimate true..

    D. morally..omg..no need to enter this subject..a god who alows a grown up man in the case of islam to marry a child ? what decistion has that child ..she is to young..she cant even decide for herself because ppl who are to young dont know what they want..that very thing its evil and primitive..a god that condemns ppl to hell in the case of islam and christianity ? a god that says u to kill homosexuals like in the case of all abrahamic religion? why not just punish them after death if u are god and if they really did something bad why kill them? slaves ? crimes ? womans being a property of man..and all that crap..i can talk on this subject until i die and i wont even scratch the surface of how evil dumb and primitive at best all religions are..hinduism is also no better..the most sane want today are judaism and budhism..hinduism

    E.the burden proof is on religion/faith..what prove has christianity islam hinduism judaims and other for god ? none ..they have only for the conciousness of the universe and thats not god..and i can prove that easy scientifically..the conciousness of the universe its everything ..including humans animals plants rocks planets stars galaxies ..everything..for the conciousness of the universe to be made a deity it needs that the whole conciosuness of the universe the everything to call it self god ..have u hears animals plants rocks planets stars galaxies call themsefs god..i never heard..not even the whole humans of all times believe in god or made from the conciousness of the universe a deity ..=> therefore because the conciousness of the universe never called it self god or made a deity out of her self THERE IS NO GOD …further more..what proves have this religions faiths that for their specific god in the universe or even historically witch matter way less.. ? NONE ..WHATSOEVER..AND ITS NOT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF TRYING ..BECAUSE U DID TRY FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND FAILED..

    F.the love test..witch all relgions fail..for a religion faith to be true in needs to have not even a line a shread that suggest something lower than love..because that will be a lower freaquency and a lie ..because love its the ultimate truth..the highest freqeuncy ..and the most infinite high u can go..guess what? u guessed ? all religions use fear ..witch is the absence of love..witch is a lie..they tell u to fear god..that u should fear the god..or that god is bigger then u ..all those lies..hinduism christianity islam judaism they all talk about fearing god..they are all lies..besides how can u fear god ..and completly love god at the same time ? scientists have prove today that fear its the absence of love..how can u love and not love god at the same time ?thats a contradiction in it self and proves this religions false..further more and what kinda god will ask u to fear him = to not love him translated by science..? that will be no god..that will prove god false..and it does..it defenetly proves the god of islam christianity judaism hinduism as being lies because they even have texts in their primitive books to fear god..and its not only fear..hate its also the absece of love..everything that is evil and primitive or that is not love is a lie..its not love..and quran bible and tanach and the hindu writings and eveyr religion or faith are full of them..

    G.everything that is a type of belief can not be the true..everything..if its religion or faith or supernatural..if its a type of belief its a lie and false..no matter religion faith supernatural or if u just believe something its false..if its a type of belief its false from the start..why? ill explain to u..simple..translate the word belief.. belief means to take as facts something that was not proven yet..that u dont know ..that there is no proof for it ..u know its not true until u proven as such..yet u take it as fact.. every religion and faith its a type of belief therefore a lie..how can any religion or faith be true if they are a type of belief with means false things or things u dont know and they were never proven taken as fact..

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